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Joe Joyce wrote on Thu, Jan 6, 2011 07:01 PM UTC:Excellent ★★★★★
I like the idea, Fergus. There are a lot of fine games that should be showcased. We should probably request that no one submit their own games. [Otherwise I got about 50... ;-)] Would this comments thread be acceptable for posting suggestions?

🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Thu, Jan 6, 2011 11:20 PM UTC:
You may submit your own games, but before you do you should make sure they meet the requirements. You should also bear in mind that submitting a game doesn't mean it will get featured. And if we do feature any of your games, you should expect it to be limited to your best and most popular variants. If we feature more than one of your games, you should expect that we will not feature similar games by the same inventor. If certain of your games fall in a certain class, it would be best to pick one among that class for submission here. The intended audience for games featured in the header are mainly casual browsers of this site, and the primary purpose behind it is to get them more interested in this site and Chess variants in general by featuring a variant that is likely to stir interest and can be played right away, whether against a good computer opponent or against an online human opponent. It is not so much for promoting a game among regular visitors, though it may have that effect to a lesser degree. Some of my own considerations in deciding what game to feature will be the state of the page and how well the game has been programmed for Zillions-of-Games and Game Courier. Since Xiangqi has a very well done page, and I have recently programmed Game Courier to let users use the mouse for all moves in Marseillais Chess, I expect to feature these games before too long.

Greg Strong wrote on Sat, Feb 12, 2011 03:34 AM UTC:

Any thoughts on the next featured variant? My suggestions are Chu Shogi and Eurasian Chess. I come up with these by looking at most played games on game courier, skipping all those that have previously been featured, and skipping one four-player game and two that are very similar to other featured games, and that gets us to most-played-on-game-courier #13, (at 32 games each,) Alice, Chu Shogi, and Eurasian. Alice being previously featured, I suggest one of the other two.


Charles Gilman wrote on Sun, Feb 13, 2011 07:58 AM UTC:
I'd go along with Eurasian, it's one of the best. It's the one that I gave my first-choice vote in the last Recognised Variant contest.

George Duke wrote on Sun, Feb 13, 2011 10:27 PM UTC:
Eurasian is a top ten at NextChess informal threads started 2008 and should become higher than Big Board and couple others there. If anyone is looking for a vote -- there may be other criteria than a poll -- Eurasian already has mine. Eurasian advantages one of Fourriere's principles to the letter that the best cvs of a track interesting to mainstream chess people should key off the standard western rnbkqp. It would still be ''Eurasian'' if eventually found to be suitable for less radical 8x10 too. Eurasian, excellent featured or recognized, would be comparable to Sissa in adding novel natural piece-type(s). Coherent may already be the better form of the Sissa inspiration. Sissa/Coherent would be my second recommendation.

🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Sat, Feb 18, 2023 08:59 PM UTC:

Let's try to get this started again with a nomination process in place. For the time being, I have featured Eurasian Chess, because that's what the last nominations were for. For the nomination process, a game meeting the criteria mentioned on this page may be nominated by someone other than the inventor. If it gets seconded by another non-inventor and approved by an editor without being vetoed by any, we can queue it up to be featured. If this gets especially active with multiple nominations, we can use voting or editorial discretion to choose what to feature.


Kevin Pacey wrote on Sat, Feb 18, 2023 09:08 PM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from 08:59 PM:

Not sure if it qualifies (the page for it is fairly short), but I'd nominate Seirawan Chess (if not to be only as a featured game then as a recognized variant also):

https://www.chessvariants.com/link/seirawanchess


🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Sat, Feb 18, 2023 09:18 PM UTC in reply to Kevin Pacey from 09:08 PM:

Not sure if it qualifies (the page for it is fairly short)

At present, we don't have a proper game page for it, and a link page doesn't count. Maybe in the future when we do have a game page for it. Also, it would be good to have a programmed Game Courier preset for it. The current one is not programmed.


Kevin Pacey wrote on Sat, Feb 18, 2023 09:37 PM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from 09:18 PM:

Note that when I linked to 'Featured Games' from e.g. the Eurasian Chess game page header, I got a massive list of games that apparently weren't intended to be listed:

https://www.chessvariants.com/index/mainquery.php?type=Game&orderby=LinkText&displayauthor=1&displayinventor=1


🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Sat, Feb 18, 2023 11:21 PM UTC in reply to Kevin Pacey from 09:37 PM:

Note that when I linked to 'Featured Games' from e.g. the Eurasian Chess game page header, I got a massive list of games that apparently weren't intended to be listed:

Okay, I've modified the link.


Greg Strong wrote on Sun, Feb 19, 2023 01:20 AM UTC:

Ok, I'll go first.  I nominate Cylindrical Chess.  It has been around for probably two hundred years, has been a problem theme for over a hundred years, was played in NOST, and has logged 30 games on Game Courier.  It has been supported by ChessV for at least 15 years.  And, perhaps most importantly, it has that ususual characteristic of making a single, easily understood change to the game of Chess that leads to something completely new.


🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Sun, Feb 19, 2023 02:37 AM UTC in reply to Greg Strong from 01:20 AM:

I'll second Cylindrical Chess. I made a Game Courier preset for it, and it can be used with circular graphics. That or the photo I added to the page can be used to feature it on the home page. For now, I have featured Eurasian Chess on the home page, and we can do the same with each featured variant.

I have made a proper rules page for Seirawan Chess, and I've started working on a Game Courier preset for it.


Max Koval wrote on Sun, Feb 19, 2023 04:09 AM UTC:

I always thought of Cylindrical Chess as the very first concept to appear in someone's mind when it comes to the idea of inventing a CV.


H. G. Muller wrote on Sun, Feb 19, 2023 10:09 AM UTC:

I think it is a very bad thing to have yet another classification for recommending chess variants, which to an uninitiated person would mean exactly the same as the 'recognized' label that we already have. I would be very hard pressed to explain to someone what the difference between a 'recognized' variant and a 'featured variant' is. Perhaps they are elected through a different mechanism, but who cares?

If we think there is a need for drawing attention to certain chess variants, we should simply revive the 'recognized' program. Otherwise we will just be promoting chaos. From what was chosen as 'featured' so far it looks like we will just be replicating the recognized list all over again.

BTW, the list of 'recognized' variants given on this page does omit many of the recognized variants (e.g. Makruk, Chu Shogi).


Max Koval wrote on Sun, Feb 19, 2023 01:12 PM UTC:

The problem with Featured Variants is the fact that this page wasn't updated for more than a decade, so it may be counted that everything is started from scratch. It is actually a good idea to keep promoting playable and interesting CVs in the described format, especially the forgotten ones. The name can cause some confusion though, so I would assume that 'Variant of the Month' can be a more straightforward one.


🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Tue, Feb 28, 2023 04:13 PM UTC:

As a compromise between European and American times, I will make Cylindrical Chess the featured game for March late tonight, which will be a bit late in Europe and a bit early in America.


Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on Tue, Feb 28, 2023 08:41 PM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from 04:13 PM:

what is the meaning of a featured game?


🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Tue, Feb 28, 2023 09:35 PM UTC in reply to Jean-Louis Cazaux from 08:41 PM:

From Merriam-Webster, featured is the past tense of feature by definition 3a: "to give special prominence to". So, a featured game is one we are giving or have given special prominence to. As long as we can be bothered to keep it up, we will mention a particular featured game in the header of each page and include a picture of it on the home page. Since we prefer to feature games that are worthy of the honor, the list of featured games can provide people with a list of Chess variants worth knowing about and trying out.

We could conceivably wrap the recognized variants up into featured variants. The concept of a recognized variant is more vague. The concept of a featured variant is more concrete, because it refers to a specific, observable action we have taken.


Daniel Zacharias wrote on Tue, Feb 28, 2023 11:19 PM UTC:

To me, Recognized suggests games that have achieved some notable popularity at some time, while Featured would include games that are considered to be deserving of recognition.


🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Tue, Feb 28, 2023 11:46 PM UTC in reply to Daniel Zacharias from 11:19 PM:

To me, Recognized suggests games that have achieved some notable popularity at some time,

That's hard to measure, has vague boundaries, and has nothing to do with our actions. So, if we just focused on which games are recognized, we would be trying to determine what is so instead of making something so through our own actions.

while Featured would include games that are considered to be deserving of recognition.

Yes, another reason to focus on featured games rather than recognized games is that is allows us to spotlight a game for its quality and not just for its popularity or historic value.


Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on Wed, Mar 1, 2023 07:15 PM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from Tue Feb 28 11:46 PM:

"that is allows us to spotlight a game for its quality and not just for its popularity or historic value."

OK but who is "us", what is the process to judge the quality? I fear the boundaries are more than vague here.

It is maybe a semantic question. What do you mean by "featured" exactly? Is that "having distinctive aspects", "having something special" which is rather neutral, or is that bearing some positive appreciation, meaning that this game is better than others?

There are also 2 other lists which translate the popularity of the different CVs. One based on the number of games played on Game Courier:

https://www.chessvariants.com/play/pbm/listgames.php

One based on the numbers of "like" received by a game:

https://www.chessvariants.com/index/favorites.php

Both lists have to be taken with caution as there are by no means fully objective, anyway it gives some ideas. And maybe there are better and less arbitrary recognitions.


🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Wed, Mar 1, 2023 09:41 PM UTC in reply to Jean-Louis Cazaux from 07:15 PM:

OK but who is "us", what is the process to judge the quality? I fear the boundaries are more than vague here.

I already covered this here.

It is maybe a semantic question. What do you mean by "featured" exactly?

I already answered this here.

Is that "having distinctive aspects", "having something special" which is rather neutral, or is that bearing some positive appreciation, meaning that this game is better than others?

None of those. See my earlier answer to your question. However, there are criteria that a game must pass before being featured. These are described on this page.


Greg Strong wrote on Wed, Mar 1, 2023 10:17 PM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from 09:41 PM:

I agree with Fergus, but as a more general answer may I say that I believe this has value.  It gives us another way to highlight games that the community feels has value, in temporary way (as opposed to making something Recognized, or whatever, that declares value in a more permenant way).

We all know the issue -- there are a million chess variants (figuratively, and maybe literally) and how do we -- the CVP community who know about these things -- call out those worthy of further attention?

The procedure we are following makes sense to me.  Let us give it a try.  It seems to be working.  Eurasian Chess and Cylindrical Chess are both worthy of notice for many reasons.  If the Featured Variants offers no value, it will go away.  If it creates problems, it will be refined or it will go away.  This forum is an evolving entity.  We do not need to answer every question before anything is done.


🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Thu, Mar 30, 2023 02:08 AM UTC:

April is almost upon us. Does anyone have a nomination for a game to feature in April?


Daniel Zacharias wrote on Thu, Mar 30, 2023 05:08 AM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from 02:08 AM:

I suggest Shako


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