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Kevin Pacey wrote on Thu, Jan 7, 2016 01:16 AM UTC:
Fergus wrote: "Please let me know if you can edit your submission. I'm not
familiar with whether this can be done, but I think it should be allowed."

I added a couple of letters to the text of it successfully, so the answer
appears to be that I can indeed edit it.

In case you missed it, I slightly edited my previous comment, to elaborate
on troubles for me that may or may not be caused by having an inadequate
browser, as far as viewing and using this website goes. So far it seems I
can get by (I prefer not to try to change browsers for now), although just
now I looked at some games to see if I could unfavourite them, and in many
cases the top menu of such a game's webpage appeared vertical in presenting
the options. Not only that, but in some such cases I previously favourited
these games by listing all its comments, i.e. getting to a webpage where
the menu options happened to be presented horizontally. Now, even when that
happens still, I don't see any way available by way of a heart option to
favourite or unfavorite a particular game. Luckily this is not a priority
to fix, but I thought I'd mention it in case you were unaware.

🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Thu, Jan 7, 2016 01:45 AM UTC:
Are you using a mobile device, by any chance? The mobile menu appears
vertically. It is normally hidden unless you touch the ≡ sign. If you're
seeing a vertical menu on a desktop or laptop, then please give me an URL
to look at.

Kevin Pacey wrote on Thu, Jan 7, 2016 02:27 AM UTC:
Hi Fergus

I'm using a laptop (it's the only computer available to me at home
currently, nor do I use a mobile device). Here's a sample URL (if I
understand that phrase right) from The Chess Variant Pages which produces a
vertical menu of options on my laptop:

http://www.chessvariants.com/dpieces.dir/berlin.html

Kevin Pacey wrote on Thu, Jan 7, 2016 03:36 AM UTC:
Just now I submitted "5*4DChess (four dimensional chess)" to The Chess
Variants Pages, and after I hit "Submit" a new webpage with that game's
title showed up, but the page appeared to be empty otherwise (same story
when I checked it under the webpage "Your Unreviewed Submissions"). :(

If the webpage is indeed empty, could an editor please delete it, and after the new problem with making submissions is solved, I'll hope to resubmit it under the same title eventually.

🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Thu, Jan 7, 2016 01:57 PM UTC:
The menu on http://www.chessvariants.com/dpieces.dir/berlin.html is
appearing horizontally to me. So it's not an instance of the wrong header
being used. Can you provide a screen shot of what you're seeing to help me
better gauge what's going on?

Carlos Cetina wrote on Thu, Jan 7, 2016 03:19 PM UTC:
All the presets have a bug that when you click "Invite" then switch to the
chess  preset.

Kevin Pacey wrote on Thu, Jan 7, 2016 04:05 PM UTC:
Fergus wrote:

"The menu on http://www.chessvariants.com/dpieces.dir/berlin.html is
appearing horizontally to me. So it's not an instance of the wrong header
being used. Can you provide a screen shot of what you're seeing to help me
better gauge what's going on?"

Like I've alluded to before, I'm rather out of my depth these days when it
comes to computers. However, with some luck I did manage to create a
screenshot icon (shortcut) on my desktop of the Berolina Pawns variant
webpage, and then I emailed it to your address as webmaster of this
website. Hope that suffices.

If you can get around to it, in the event you missed it, I replied to your
comment re: my Super4*Chess submission needing to be edited, and I asked if
you could advise me (such as perhaps only clarifying that I in fact may
have taken a step in the right direction). It's not a priority though, as I
am going to be playing over-the-board chess all weekend, including tonight
at my club, as well as Friday night, so I'll soon begin a long break from
using a computer to visit here, or to visit other websites I go to, until
the weekend is over, if only for the reason to concentrate better on
playing chess.

Take care, Kevin

🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Thu, Jan 7, 2016 04:10 PM UTC:
Carlos, that bug is now fixed. I was trying to fix something else last
night and removed a line of HTML I thought might be the problem. Although
the problem was something else, I left it out because it seemed redundant.
But it wasn't. So I added a new line that does the same thing more
accurately.

🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Thu, Jan 7, 2016 04:53 PM UTC:
Kevin,

Since I didn't get your email, I whitelisted your address in SpamAssassin.
Please try again.

Kevin Pacey wrote on Thu, Jan 7, 2016 05:01 PM UTC:
I've just emailed you again. Neither email has bounced back at my end of
things so far, at least.

Carlos Cetina wrote on Thu, Jan 7, 2016 05:15 PM UTC:
OK. Thanks!

Kevin Pacey wrote on Thu, Jan 7, 2016 08:01 PM UTC:
Earlier I posted (directed to Fergus):

"...If you can get around to it, in the event you missed it, I replied to
your comment re: my Super4*Chess submission needing to be edited, and I
asked if you could advise me..."

I may have solved my problem in question on my own. Under comments to my
submission in question, I've just posted:

"Out of a sudden inspiration, I tried using the Diagram Designer to make
just a 1x1 (square) board for displaying each single piece type used in my
variant (Super4*Chess); I then cut & pasted the diagrams (as I generated
each of them) into the piece descriptions. Hope this is adequate, as far as
editing my submission goes."

🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Thu, Jan 7, 2016 09:42 PM UTC:
That's one way to do it, though it's not the easiest. This shows that you
know how to include an image on a page. The easier way to do it is to copy
the URL for each image from the Diagram Designer and use that. The images
are displayed around the board. You can get the URL for an image by
right-clicking it and selecting the appropriate option from the right-click
menu. 

For Internet Explorer, this is "Copy". 

For Firefox, this is "Copy Image Location". 

For Chrome, this is "Copy Image Address".

For other browsers, it may be something similar. This will put the URL for
the image in your clipboard, and from there, you can paste it into your
document.

H. G. Muller wrote on Thu, Jan 7, 2016 10:01 PM UTC:
I understand that it is possible to use HTML img tags in non-HTML
submissions. It this an exception, or would it also be possible to use div
tags there to define an interactive diagram?

🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Thu, Jan 7, 2016 10:57 PM UTC:
Okay, I'm guessing that non-HTML submissions are formatted differently but
do not actually prevent the use of HTML. So, DIVs should probably work in
them, though if you are using HTML, then I would recommend clicking the
HTML option. In comments, as opposed to submissions, non-HTML comments do
not allow HTML.

H. G. Muller wrote on Fri, Jan 8, 2016 06:51 AM UTC:
> Okay, I'm guessing that non-HTML submissions are formatted differently but do not actually prevent the use of HTML.

OK, great. I always tick HTML, but the downside is that this collapses all your text into one big paragraph if you don't put in all the HTML tags for formatting, and many people would not know how. So it is very convenient that there is a possibility to use their own line feeds and spaces for formatting, and still can paste HTML diagrams as blackboxes into it from the diagram generator or interactive-diagram wizard.


Kevin Pacey wrote on Fri, Jan 8, 2016 07:50 AM UTC:
I'm up way too late, but I couldn't resist checking this website at least
one last time.

Fergus wrote: "That's one way to do it, though it's not the easiest. This
shows that you know how to include an image on a page. The easier way to do
it is to copy the URL for each image from the Diagram Designer and use
that. The images are displayed around the board. You can get the URL for an
image by right-clicking it and selecting the appropriate option from the
right-click menu. 

For Internet Explorer, this is "Copy". 

... This will put the URL for the image in your clipboard, and from there,
you can paste it into your document."

I use Internet Explorer on my laptop (or desktop computer, when it is
working), and I did try copying it the way you described, Fergus. My
mistake was that I tried to 'paste' straight away, and nothing showed up at
all in my submission. I hadn't realized a 'clipboard' was to be involved.
I'll try to get around to looking up how a clipboard is used again, and try
to do such piece depictions as you described, if there isn't something
easier available (like later on cutting and pasting the work I've already
done when editing Super4*Chess).

Back in the 1990s when computers and the internet were apparently really
taking off, a condition I've had probably most of my life really took off
too (e.g. having visions once in a while), and as a result generally I've
tried to not experiment (nor use computers) too much. For example if
there's a way to do something with a computer that I know works I'll use
it, even if it may cost me just a little bit more time. Finding the time to
try to undo the consequenses of an apparently harmless experiment gone
wrong when using a computer is something I developed a sort of aversion to
years ago.

H. G. Muller wrote on Fri, Jan 8, 2016 11:17 AM UTC:
'Clipboard' is jargon for the invisible place where data lives between the user ordering a 'Copy' or 'Cut' and ordering 'Paste' (through a menu selection or by using Ctrl-C/Ctrl-X and Ctrl-V keys of the keyboard). So I don't expect you did anything wrong there. The special thing here is that normally you load the clipboard by first selecting a visible text, and then 'copy' it. While the mentioned menu items of the browser do put the URL specifyng the location of the clicked image there, rather than the image itself. <p> You should see the URL (starting with "http://") appearing in your text when you 'Paste'. <p> What is most likely the problem is that an URL in the text of your submission is not enough to make an image appear; it would just display the URL as text. To get an image on a submitted page you would have to write <p> < img src="URL"> <p> in it, with URL the pasted URL.

Kevin Pacey wrote on Fri, Jan 8, 2016 05:40 PM UTC:
I still have a couple of hours before I have to get busy today with other
things. As I alluded to earlier, H.G., when I copied & then tried to paste
the piece symbol as described, literally no text or image appeared in my
submission (i.e. nothing happened whatsoever after I tried to paste).

Instead, one thing I tried after was to save the webpage for the piece
symbol as one of my 'Favourites' (another option besides 'Copy' that is
allowed when one right-clicks on such a piece symbol). Then, in actually
going to that webpage on the web, I did see the piece symbol in question
displayed, in the upper left corner of an otherwise blank webpage. Anyway,
I then pasted that http address for that webpage into my submission, but
then when I viewed it by re-submitting my submission, all that appeared (of
course, I suppose) was the text of the http address (kind of similar to
what you were describing for something else). 

Maybe there was somthing I could have done with the http address that I  inserted in my submission, e.g. something kind of similar to what
you were describing. After giving up perhaps prematurely, the next day I
had my 1x1 board (including piece symbol) representation inspiration for using the
Diagram Designer, and I eagerly took the sure route to
success, much like a baseball infielder takes the sure throw out to first
base, rather than trying to throw out a base runner by throwing to second
base. Anyway, the fact that my original copy and paste attempt produced
absolutely nothing (such as text) in my submission suggests to me that
there may in fact be a bug with, say, the Diagram Designer, unless I did
something wrong in copying & pasting (in this case, seems hardly possible).

H. G. Muller wrote on Fri, Jan 8, 2016 09:13 PM UTC:
And did you copy the image or the location of the image? You cannot paste
an image in a text form, so if you copied the image instead of its location
(URL), then it would explain why nothing appeared.

Kevin Pacey wrote on Sun, Jan 10, 2016 02:54 AM UTC:
I got home early today from my weekend tournament, and having taken care of
other things at home I thought I'd check my email & various websites
tonight at least one time each all the same. That's after getting my
inevitable game with GM Sambuev out of the way today (I lost respectably
IMHO, getting ground down in a major piece ending after trying to hold a
draw with the Petroff Defence).

I got your email from today Fergus, and I sent the screenshot (of the
Berolina Pawns webpage) to your other email address just now, as you
suggested I try instead.


H.G. Posted: "And did you copy the image or the location of the image? You
cannot paste an image in a text form, so if you copied the image instead of
its location (URL), then it would explain why nothing appeared"

Yes, apparently in my innocence I tried to just paste the image. The only
URL I noticed for it was after I saved it as a webpage Favourite, rather
than just clicking on 'Copy' (after right-clicking on the image of the
piece symbol).

H. G. Muller wrote on Sun, Jan 10, 2016 09:32 AM UTC:
> Yes, apparently in my innocence I tried to just paste the image. The only URL I noticed for it was after I saved it as a webpage Favourite, rather than just clicking on 'Copy' (after right-clicking on the image of the piece symbol).

In my browser (Firefox) when I right-click on an image it pops up a menu with (amongst others) the items

  • View image
  • Copy image
  • Copy image location
  • Properties
When you select "View image" it displays the image as a separate web page, with the URL of the image (as usual) in the address field above it. You could then select and copy the URL from there. But when you select "Copy image location" it should already have copied the URL without additional mouse manipulations, and without the need for changing what page it was displaying. With "Properties" you get a popup window with all kinds of info on the image, and one of them is the URL. You could also copy that URL from there.

Charles Gilman wrote on Mon, Jan 11, 2016 07:40 AM UTC:
Yesterday I got to the computer from which I had made successful updates, but unfortunately I could not try it out because the mouse was not working properly and there was not another one easily accessible that could be substituted. I still cannot post the updates that I want to from th computer that I am currently on.

Kevin Pacey wrote on Mon, Jan 11, 2016 11:51 PM UTC:
I'm back and rested after my weekend tournament, finishing clear second at
1.5 points behind GM Sambuev (5/5, again), so I did about as well as I
could reasonably hope for.

H.G. posted: "In my browser (Firefox) when I right-click on an image it
pops up a menu with (amongst others) the items
 • View image 
• Copy image 
• Copy image location 
• Properties 
When you select "View image" it displays the image as a separate web page,
with the URL of the image (as usual) in the address field above it. You
could then select and copy the URL from there. But when you select "Copy
image location" it should already have copied the URL without additional
mouse manipulations, and without the need for changing what page it was
displaying. With "Properties" you get a popup window with all kinds of info
on the image, and one of them is the URL. You could also copy that URL from
there."

At the moment I'm using a Toshiba Satellite laptop with Vista, Windows
Explorer browser (clicking on its properties reveals it to be created Sept.
2009). When I right-click on a piece image of the Diagram Designer, the
options I can choose to further click on unfortunately do not include View
Image or Copy Image or Copy Image Location, but the options available to me
do include "Copy" and "Properties". Clicking on Properties does reveal the
URL (the same one as if I had clicked on "Save to Favourites" instead of
"Properties", I suppose). 

I'm not sure using this URL (in the way you described in an earlier post)
would save me much time (if at all) compared to doing it my way (i.e. by
copying Diagram Designer HTML code for a piece on a 1x1 board), that is if
needing to over and over insert more than one piece image (of more than 1 piece type, even) to be shown into
a Chess Variant Pages webpage submission. However, doing it your way could
show a clean/nicer piece image, in that my way of doing it shows the 1x1
square board with a coordinate included (namely "a1", with the "a"
unfortunately partly not showing because the board is so small, I assume).
Perhaps the choice is a matter of taste?! In any case I may try doing it
the way you described at some point, H.G. Thanks for your advice.

[edit: I tried do it H.G.'s way just now when editing my old 4*Chess submission, but nothing appeared at all when I used quotes around the URL, or when I did not use quotes. I had followed H.G.'s earlier directions, unless I somehow went wrong (I may try H.G.'s method later if I can figure it out, pending any further thoughts); the directions posted earlier were:

"To get an image on a submitted page you would have to write 

< img src="URL"> 

in it, with URL the pasted URL."]

[2nd edit: I solved my problem using H.G.'s method (to show single piece images from the Diagram Designer in a submission) by using quotes around the URL & using uppercase for IMG SRC, in a test I carried out. The piece image I chose to test out (in a submission, temporarily modifying it by editing) was shown all by itself, underlined as in the Diagram Designer.
Note that I put this 2nd edit accidently in my 4*Chess submission thread too.]

Charles Gilman wrote on Mon, Jan 25, 2016 07:44 AM UTC:
I am still having trouble posting updates, including to some variants as well as piece articles. The issue of updating variant pages has become more urgent as I have noticed that I cannot see ffen diagrams from the computer on which I am currently going online and was hoping to replace them. Even had there been no problem updating, it would take some time to replace them all, and I would be interested to know if this problem is due to my change of computer or the move of website, If it is the latter, then for all the shortcomings of these diagrams this needs fixing in the interim before I (a) am able to edit all my pages properly again and (b) I have the time to carry them all out.

For the record, in case an editor has time to make - and better success updating - the changes, the intention was to replace the three ffen diagrams on the Nearlydouble Chess page with the following virtual images respectively:


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