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Vincent wrote on Sun, Sep 8, 2002 08:17 PM UTC:
Mike Nelson said: 'I must disagree with Vincent about Grand Chess.  While
in the technical sense it is a variation of Capablanca's Chess because it
uses the Capablanca pieces, it is a very different game.'

 Grand Chess is played on a 10x10 board, as Capablanca's Chess originally
was, but, like the later editions of Capa's Chess, the armies in Grand
Chess are spaced one from another the same distance as they are in
orthodox chess. Also, as Mike pointed out, the two new pieces in Grand
Chess are exactly the same as the two new pieces in Capablanca's Chess. It
is for these reasons that I do not see Grand Chess as being all that
different from Capa's Chess...

 Glenn Overby said: 'It should perhaps be clarified that 100 squares was
not a magic threshold which Grand met and Omega did not.  Anything over 64
squares was classed
as large, anything under 64 as small, and the final list reflected 2 small
to 4 standard to 1 large.'

 This raises another question in my mind. Grand Chess is played on a 10x10
board, and Gothic Chess is played on a 10x8 board. So, if you prefer
smaller boards, why chose the variant of Capa's Chess that has 100 squares
and not the variant that has 80 squares?

Tony Quintanilla wrote on Sun, Sep 8, 2002 09:18 PM UTC:
I agree with Glenn's proposed time structure. I also agree that re-voting on a select subset of games (including the most requested write-in games) would add more focus to the set of games chosen. The idea of using only games voted for by players is also a good idea. I would also support not worrying about size too much. I bet that the tourney will proceed faster than anticipated--especially if the most-favored games are being played! Thanks to Glenn for all his work!

John Lawson wrote on Thu, Sep 12, 2002 01:55 AM UTC:
If it is decided to play only the games voted on by participants, there is actually no reason to hold a second separate poll. The entry process could include voting, and we wouldn't know for sure what we were playing until all the entries were in. That might be fun.

Tony Gardner wrote on Sat, Sep 14, 2002 02:08 AM UTC:Good ★★★★
I believe it would be a sound idea, at some point, to present a 'revised
list' of games, that would include those which have received votes,
whether or not they were on the original list.  If any that were on the
original list have not at that time received any votes, they may be
deleted.  There was a prior mention that a list of this sort should be
held to 20 suggestions, but I don't understand why.  Wouldn't it make more
sense to have an expanded list of popular games, and simply play (in the
tournament) the ones with the most votes at the end?  Those games that
received at least some votes but not enough for the tournament threshold
could be played casually by the interested parties, via e-mail.

Also, in my view, the use of machines should be discouraged.

📝Glenn Overby II wrote on Thu, Sep 26, 2002 02:15 PM UTC:
As you can see, a second round of polling has begun.  It includes every
game save one which received multiple suggestions in the suggestion box,
plus the top dozen from the original poll after the top four (which had a
huge lead) were skimmed off and declared in.

Many of these games polled pretty close together, and hopefully looking at
only 15 at this stage will enable careful considerations.

Thanks to the many who have voted so far (yes, you may vote again in round
two).  Your response gives me additional hope for a successful event.

Ben Good wrote on Thu, Sep 26, 2002 06:42 PM UTC:Poor ★
i never got to vote in the first round because it said votes were being taken til november first.

📝Glenn Overby II wrote on Thu, Sep 26, 2002 07:26 PM UTC:
I wondered how long it would take someone to say that.  :(

Seriously, I apologize to anyone in Ben Good's position.  It was simply
the feeling after extended discussion that reducing the size of the list
would encourage more refined consideration of the remaining listed games,
and that sufficient voter input had been received to make a preliminary
adjustment.

The ultimate responsibility was mine.  I regret any bad feelings it may
have caused.  (It's hard to start something like this from scratch, and
know how it will best proceed.)  Thank you for your comment; I urge you to
make your opinion count in round two between now and 1 November.

Eric V. Greenwood wrote on Thu, Oct 17, 2002 08:05 PM UTC:Good ★★★★
I have a comment/plea: please add Renniassance Chess to the available
choices. I know the category  *few extra pieces*   includes it; however, i
am doing some serious recruiting to the cause, and I hope i can get enough
people to vote.
 Actually, i had no idea this was here-i just was fortunate enough to
stumble onto it!

     Eric

📝Glenn Overby II wrote on Fri, Oct 18, 2002 04:42 PM UTC:
Eric: I'll be happy to put Renniassance Chess on the poll the next time we
do a tournament of this style.  The polling process is too far advanced to
tamper with it for this tournament.

I have only recently become familiar with RennChess, after Ben Good did
the updated page a short time ago.  It certainly falls into a style of
variant that seems to resonate with the voters.  In fact, a large-variants
theme is under active consideration for a future PBEM tourney.

Joseph DiMuro wrote on Sat, Nov 2, 2002 06:35 PM UTC:
So, which games are going to be in the tournament? Which ones? Which ones? Which ones? :-D Please don't prolong the suspense! I can't take it much longer!! :-D

📝Glenn Overby II wrote on Sat, Nov 2, 2002 06:59 PM UTC:
The results are in.  The voting was very, very close.

Registration for the tournament opens in not quite two weeks.

📝Glenn Overby II wrote on Sun, Nov 3, 2002 02:38 AM UTC:
The Zillions file is now available with all the tournament games (except Extinction, which comes with Zillions) in a single ZIP file.

📝Glenn Overby II wrote on Fri, Nov 15, 2002 02:45 AM UTC:
Registration is open at last, a few hours early, and the first entrant is already signed up...

John Lawson wrote on Fri, Nov 15, 2002 05:14 AM UTC:Excellent ★★★★★
Will you occasionally post the entrants as registration proceeds, or will the pairings come as an utter surprise?

📝Glenn Overby II wrote on Fri, Nov 15, 2002 05:49 AM UTC:
Both.  I will update the list of entrants every so often, <b>and</b> the
ultimate pairings will be a surprise.  :)

Tony Quintanilla wrote on Fri, Nov 22, 2002 05:41 AM UTC:Excellent ★★★★★
Great! The tournament should be very interesting. Thanks!

Tony Quintanilla wrote on Sun, Dec 22, 2002 09:49 PM UTC:Excellent ★★★★★
I'd like to put in a pitch for this excellent tournament! Interested players, please register!

Anonymous wrote on Tue, Dec 24, 2002 04:48 PM UTC:Good ★★★★

Tony Quintanilla wrote on Sat, Jan 4, 2003 11:56 PM UTC:Excellent ★★★★★
Interested players, register by January 15th!!

ctsg wrote on Mon, Jan 6, 2003 05:00 PM UTC:Good ★★★★

Overload@planetunrea wrote on Tue, Jan 7, 2003 04:45 AM UTC:
What prevents people from using an engine to make their moves?

Joseph DiMuro wrote on Tue, Jan 7, 2003 05:11 AM UTC:
Other than conscience, not much...

Peter Aronson wrote on Tue, Jan 7, 2003 05:47 AM UTC:
Not to mention ego. And for that matter, the only engine available for most of these games, Zillions of Games, plays several of the games on this list fairly weakly (Rococo and Chess on a Longer Board with a few Pieces Added come to mind).

📝Glenn Overby II wrote on Tue, Jan 7, 2003 10:27 PM UTC:
I didn't bother to write a no computers rule because I dislike setting
rules that are by nature unenforceable.  (Would that lawmakers felt this
way!)

Peter also makes a good point...the availability of competent engines for
several of these games is limited to non-existent.  That's one advantage
of a multivariant event with widely different stuff.

2404 wrote on Tue, Jan 14, 2003 04:13 PM UTC:Good ★★★★

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