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Kevin Pacey wrote on Mon, Feb 19 10:47 PM UTC:

Maybe something for a separate thread topic(?):

Aside from NOST, has there ever been an attempt to have a 'Federation' for Chess Variants, perhaps even (initially, at least) a pale imitation of the FIDE organization of orthodox chess, when it comes to a global CV organization?

https://www.fide.com/


Kevin Pacey wrote on Wed, Feb 21 02:58 PM UTC in reply to Kevin Pacey from Mon Feb 19 10:47 PM:

Here is a link to something online calling itself The Variant Chess Federation:

https://www-chess-com.translate.goog/fr/club/the-variant-chess-federation?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

Possibly not serious (or as established/large as CVP site).

What I would have in mind for a real 'Federation' of Chess Variants, if I were to dream big, would be something that included organized over-the-board play of chess variants in various countries globally, under the umbrella of a FIDE-like global chess variant federation. However, Canada or the US, for example, have their own Federations for chess, in some ways subordinate to FIDE, at least when it comes to serious international chess competitions or decrees about occasional minor changes to the rules of chess play itself.

Continuing to dream big, chess globally has tournament directors and organizers for international chess events. FIDE also manages an international chess rating system of its own.

CVP site already has much of what it takes to be a federation online exclusively in my early estimation, except for scale of membership, abundant tournament organizers, and taking in cash entries for tournaments (for those participants of any paid entry events who are willing to pay), like in the case of the official Arimaa site, if an online example is needed. I cannot recall just now what tournament format is used there - maybe knockout (seems good so an event does not last for months, or unless a relatively fast time control is used).

A possible big obstacle for chess variant federations/clubs/events is deciding which chess variants are to be included or excluded (and whether just for a particular time and/or place/event). CVP site solves this issue well with Game Courier. If necessary there could be separate federation(s) for popular single CVs such as bughouse, for example, but then why would they choose to be under an overall chess variants federation? A similar story for any regional chess variants' federations, e.g. of Shatar (Mongolian Chess). Also worth noting, Mind Sports includes not just chess variants but other games; it's possible a division of Mind Sports could be dedicated just to CVs.

It's easy to dream, especially if no potential federation founding organizer(s) want to fit all the details together just yet...


🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Wed, Feb 21 05:31 PM UTC in reply to Kevin Pacey from 02:58 PM:

Rich Hutnick has promoted what he called the International Abstract Games Organization. I don't think it really got off the ground, and it has descended to including gambling links, which is something I do not allow on this site. He claims that Game Courier is an official IAGO site, though, as the creator of Game Courier, I maintain that Game Courier has nothing at all to do with IAGO and is not associated with it in any way whatsoever.


Kevin Pacey wrote on Wed, Feb 21 06:59 PM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from 05:31 PM:

I forgot to mention I thought briefly about the idea of a sort of 'Federation' of chess variant websites, but then concluded they'd all probably want to just compete with each other for members/clients.

Note that chess itself has people who gamble at it, unofficially (such as at two player blitz chess in coffee houses), but the tournament entry fees asked for in the case of organized chess tournaments are not considered gambling, since a tournament participant cannot lose more than the amount of his entry fee. The closest form of gambling that chess tournaments might be compared to is a lottery (a high percentage of the fees are returned to some of the participants, as prizes), but in theory that reasoning would break down since skill level is a strong factor (alternatively some say there is no luck in chess, but I say, just try to foresee everything vital to know at all times, at least if you are only human...).


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