Comments by A. M. DeWitt

I updated the 3d image.

https://www.chessvariants.com/play/jocly/dist/browser/games/chessbase/res/visuals/chu-seireigi-600x600-3d.png

I'll update the svg occasionally, lightburn doesn't work at home (on linux).

I take it that's the program you use for making the SVG?

Also, while I was uploading the Jocly files to the CVP site, I took the opportunity to make the rule description for the Jocly Chu Seireigi preset more accurate. Your version has some discrepancies and doesn't describe everything, thought to be fair I was still finalizing everything then. I can provide you with the files you need if need be.

I did the same for the Seireigi and Hectochess rule descriptions to a far lesser extent, though I am not overly concerned about these two.

I've also been looking for ideas for a lion hawk icon distinct from the griffon icon.

If there were an acceptable candidate, it would probably still take quite some time to  to finalize.

If you want something that is nice and easy to make a diagram of via the Musketeer Chess site's board painter, the site should have the first and third icons available for use. Personally I'd recommend the first one, as it is a winged lion. The one used for Chu Seireigi can also work.

Here's a new setup picture for your rules description (refresh browser cache if old one shows up):

https://www.chessvariants.com/play/jocly/dist/browser/games/chessbase/res/visuals/chu-seireigi-600x600-2d.png

I'm working on a new 3d picture as well. I'll post another comment with it when I am done.

P.S. You may need to update the laser cutter SVG, but I am not overly concerned about that. You did include two extra Rooks in it though.

I'm actually starting to lean back towards the Bishop + Squirrel move for Chu Seireigi and Dai Seireigi, since in my test game of Chusei with you, if the Lion had the KNAD move you would be able to force mate in 3 with just the Lion, and I don't want one piece to steal all the show from the others.

Edit: Looking at the current position you can still force mate in 3, but you need to get more pieces involved.

Thanks. I know you may be a little frustrated, and I apologize if you are, but it is an unfortunate truth of development for my more complex games that updating them can be quite laborious and tedious, especially when several options exist for playing them. As a general rule, I want my games to be well-thought out and high in quality, so I am willing to make changes like this to try and make my games better.

Check your rabbit in daiseireigi. they are promoted by default in stag.

Can you elaborate further on this, please? I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.

I did check the Running Rabbit in the diagram and the text, and everything seems to be in proper working order, including the text that shows the legal moves of the piece when clicked.

I made one last change to Chu Seireigi, making the Lion move like its Cazaux form (a Chu Shogi Lion that lacks multi-move capabilities). If you could implement that on the biscandine site that would be great.

I'll even make it real simple for you on what you need to do. You'll need to go into your http://chu-seireigi-model.js and look for the Lion definitions (searching for "sh-lion should do"), which looks like this:

				66: {
					name: 'lion-w',
					aspect: 'sh-lion',
					graph: this.cbDropGraph(geometry, [[-2,0],[-2,-1],[-2,-2],[-1,-2],[0,-2],[1,-2],[2,-2],[2,-1],[2,0],[2,1],[2,2],[1,2],[0,2],[-1,2],[-2,2],[-2,1]],[[1,1],[1,-1],[-1,1],[-1,-1]]),
					value: 10,
					abbrev: 'LN',
					fenAbbrev: 'N',
					initial: [{s:1,p:55}],
					demoted: 67,
					hand: 18,
				},
				67: {
					name: 'lion-b',
					aspect: 'sh-lion',
					graph: this.cbDropGraph(geometry, [[-2,0],[-2,-1],[-2,-2],[-1,-2],[0,-2],[1,-2],[2,-2],[2,-1],[2,0],[2,1],[2,2],[1,2],[0,2],[-1,2],[-2,2],[-2,1]],[[1,1],[1,-1],[-1,1],[-1,-1]]),
					value: 10,
					abbrev: 'LN',
					initial: [{s:-1,p:168}],
					demoted: 66,
					hand: 18,
				},

Set the Lions values to 11 and replace the current graph definitions with the following:

					graph: this.cbDropGraph(geometry, [[-2,0],[-2,-1],[-2,-2],[-1,-2],[0,-2],[1,-2],[2,-2],[2,-1],[2,0],[2,1],[2,2],[1,2],[0,2],[-1,2],[-2,2],[-2,1],[1,1],[1,-1],[-1,1],[-1,-1],[1,0],[-1,0],[0,1],[0,-1]],[]),

Once that is done, the biscandine Jocly preset should play at least somewhat reasonably.

Thanks. It looks much better.

@François Houdebert,

I've noticed for a while that for the 2D Classic Jocly sprites for Seireigi, all the promoted (red) kanjis being mirrored rather than being rotated 180 degrees like they should be, which looks a bit ugly and may confuse certain players, especially those who are used to single-kanji graphics.

Attached is a spritesheet that fixes this, which I would like uploaded to the biscandine site.

www.chessvariants.com/play/jocly/dist/browser/games/chessbase/res/shogi/seireigi-shogi-sprites.png

I also updated the seireigi-sprites file one more time so that the promoted Kanjis are all facing the right way.

www.chessvariants.com/play/jocly/dist/browser/games/chessbase/res/shogi/seireigi-shogi-sprites.png

P. S. GIMP is awesome.

Here is my updated version of your spritesheet. (For best results, clear browser cache before downloading)

I also took the opportunity to clean up stray pixels in your other shogi spritesheets.

www.chessvariants.com/membergraphics/MSchuseireigi/jocly-shogi-sprites.zip?nocache=true

I'll send you an updated pictogram spritesheet that you can use. Currently, the pictogram images still have the Kanji for the Kings since they are pulling from those locations.

It not clear to me, when there's an apostrophe, it's the general of jade that corresponds to the blacks, right?

In kanji sets, the player that moves first always has the King with the extra stroke. And it is true that the player who moves first is called Black (or Sente) in Shogi. It's just that in Jocly and the Mnemonic sets by H. G. Muller, the player that moves first has the white piece images by convention to make it easier for chess players.

You should only have to swap the King kanjis in the 2D Classic Seireigi sprites.

For the 3D pieces its as simple as swapping "sh-king" and "sh-jade" in the 3D piece definitions in the *-view.js files, so no problem there.

P.S. What I said above also applies to the Shogi Jocly implementations that use the King kanji on the biscandine site.

P.S.S. Also you have two extra rooks in your laser cutter SVG.

Thanks.

Out of curiosity, what program did you use to make the Seireigi Jocly sprites?

I am trying to fix a visual bug involving the 2d Kanji kings in Seireigi's implementation. The King with the extra stroke in the 2D Classic set is used for the player that moves second, when it should be used for the player that moves first.

@François Houdebert,

I noticed a bug in the Hectochess implementation. When castling, the starting squares of the Champions and queenside Knights (b2/b9, c2/c9, and i2/i9) are not being checked to see if a piece is occupying them or not, allowing castling when it should not be possible to do so.

I second Glinski's Hexagonal Chess. It is the textbook example of a hexagonal chess variant. If you want to learn how to play a hexagonal chess game, Glinski's Hexagonal Chess is a great place to start.

Looks good, save for a few errors:

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Setup Errors
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White Kirin and Phoenix are swapped from where they should be in the initial setup

Black King and Great Elephant are swapped from where they should be in the initial setup

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Promotion/Drop Errors
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Lance, Running Rabbit, Knight, Gold General, and Great Elephant are currently allowed to promote immediately if they are dropped into the promotion zone (this should not be the case)

Both Pawns in the hand spaces can be selected when multiple Pawns are in the hand)