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Hi there, this is Z.Su#34 himself :) I am a Chinese video uploader, and have been interested in chess variants for about 10 years. As far as I know, the name 弩 has been used for a translation for vao since 2014 , however it is derived from 弩车(Ballista), not crossbow, because both 炮 and 弩 are types of ranged siege machine. This is widely accepted in Chinese forums. If you need further infomation, I will be pleased to help.

@ Zhennan Su: very interesting thank you

I am a Chinese video uploader, and have been interested in chess variants for about 10 years. As far as I know, the name 弩 has been used for a translation for vao since 2014

Since that year coincides with the beginning of your interest in Chess variants, I am wondering if this usage actually began in 2014 or if that's simply as far back as you're personally aware. My own use of 矢 goes back to 2001, but I am not Chinese.

It is interesting to note that a piece named 弩 (Nu) is reported in qiguo xiangqi (seven-player xiangqi), a variant that would have been reported by Sima Guang in the 11th century!

The move was not that of a modern Vao though.

I went through some forums and found 弩 for Vao more earlier in Dec 2012. Check out this link: https://tieba.baidu.com/p/2029251770 . However, no matter when it began, 弩 for Vao has been widely known now in Chinese community. I can provide more infomation if you need.

It is interesting to note that a piece named 弩 (Nu) is reported in qiguo xiangqi (seven-player xiangqi)

That 弩 is a crossbow marksman actually :)

The game described here is similar to my own Eurasian Chess. It has the same pieces plus the Elephants from Xiangqi or maybe Janggi, as I saw multiple references to Korean Elepants in the translated comments. It also uses the same characters as I did for the Bishop and Queen. It would be worthwhile to have a page on it here, but the machine translation I got is not very good. Could you help with that? I could write it up if I know what the rules and pieces are.

My own use of 矢 goes back to 2001

That reminds me of something. Some of Chinese users use 矢 before 弩 goes in common. 弩 can be expanded more than 矢 (for example, 连弩 神机弩 重弩 弩炮), making 弩 more useful to make variants with promotion. Also 弩 and 炮 are both machine units.

Despite this game is something like a prototype of the final game, I'd be glad to do that. I'll send the rules by e-mail later, with some explanation about those comments and some further info.

The setup is different from Eurasian Chess.

The name of page is: Improved version of Chinese and Western chess (not sure if it is the name of the game also)

From what I understand, the Elephant 象 plays as International Chess Bishop. Pawn, Rook, Knight, King, Queen are identical to Int. Chess. Cannon is like in xiangqi, and Crossbow, 弩, is a diagonal cannon.

The "Holy", 圣, is not a Bishop. Its move is not clear to me, it is said to attack 12 squares.

Then we have: 3rd rank: 10 Pawns 2nd rank: void/N/Crossbow/B/Holy/Holy/B/Crossbow/N/void 1st rank: R/Cannon/void/void/Q/K/void/void/Cannon/R Both sides mirror each other.

My understanding after reading the other comments of the Chinese page is that the Holy or Sage is moving as FAD in Betza's.

It is a colorbound piece, which is discussed in the comments.

The Sage is FC in Betza's. It was changed to a simple (3,1)-leaper in the final version.

Thank you for this information. Did this game had a name and who is the inventor, do you know that?

Thank you for this information. Did this game had a name and who is the inventor, do you know that?

The English name is Esperanto Chess. I have no info about the inventor's real name. The Pawn is a little bit different, and there's a King-Faceoff rule. If you need a simple introduction, I can send it by E-mail.

I probably need.