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Ryan Goebel wrote on Tue, Mar 30, 2004 10:47 PM UTC:Excellent ★★★★★
I can't find it can you please awnser the question more seriousely like you said

🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Wed, Mar 31, 2004 05:10 PM UTC:
Let me ask you this, Ryan. Do the words nerd and geek describe a person who has certain characteristics? If so, what would you say those characteristics are? Or are these words merely used as labels by people who wish to put down certain people who don't belong to their clique?

Ryan Goebel wrote on Wed, Mar 31, 2004 09:56 PM UTC:
I say it is to put someone down to make them feel bad and depressed for the fun of it. What does clique mean. please post Fergus Duniho

🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Thu, Apr 1, 2004 01:13 AM UTC:
For the definition of clique, follow this link:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=clique

Anyway, what you're telling me is that the words nerd and geek have no
objective meaning, and certain people are simply using these words to make
fun of other people. In that case, no one who plays Chess is truly a nerd
or a geek in any important objective sense. They are just meaningless
names used by some people to bully others into being more like them. What
matters most is that you remain true to yourself. If you enjoy Chess,
continue to play it and don't worry what others will label you for it.
The truth about many kids is that they are just looking for any excuse to
pick on other kids. If some kid doesn't play Chess, he might choose to
pick on you for playing Chess. But if you didn't play Chess, he might
choose to pick on you for something else. The main thing you can expect
growing up is that kids pick on kids. Whether or not you play Chess has no
bearing on this fact. So there is no reason to give in.

Chess is not a bad thing at all. It is great for helping you improve your
reasoning skills. When you're good at Chess, it is a legitimate source of
pride. And using your mind in the way that Chess requires actually helps
protect you from depression. When some kid doesn't appreciate Chess and
chooses to make fun of others for playing it, it's a sign of insecurity,
not a sign that he is hip or cool and knows something that you don't. On
the contrary, if you enjoy and play Chess, you know something that he
doesn't.

George Duke wrote on Sun, Apr 4, 2004 08:24 PM UTC:
Orthodox (Mad Queen) design analysis:
# squares: 64
# piece types: 6
Initial piece density: 50%
Piece values: P1, N3, B3, R5, Q9
Power density: 1.22
Exchange Gradient: 0.50
Ave. Game Length: #M = (3.5*6)/(1.22*0.5) = 34 moves

Ryan Goebel wrote on Wed, Apr 7, 2004 09:45 PM UTC:
if you read this message the please post. I have benn wondering how good other people are please tell me your rating mine is 2317 and i am 10 years old

🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Fri, Apr 9, 2004 03:44 PM UTC:
I am unrated. I play Chess infrequently, and I'm not part of the Chess club or Chess tournament scene. What I do play frequently are Chess variants, games that are similar to but not identical to Chess. I'm pleased that your interest in Chess brought you to this site, but Chess is not what this site is really all about. Its main topic is Chess variants, and it is a broad interest in a wide variety of games, not a specific interest in Chess, that keeps most of the regulars coming back to this site. Few Chess variants have any rating system developed for them, and there is no generic rating system for Chess variants in general. Given the absence of any other responses to your question, and given the focus of this site, I would expect that most people here are also unrated. Anyway, Chess variants are a lot of fun. Please explore the rest of this site and learn about the iceberg that Chess is only the tip of.

Pete Leyva wrote on Fri, Apr 9, 2004 06:29 PM UTC:Good ★★★★
Excellently put Fergus,

Ryan, I'm an average player of 1500 to 1600. My current rating is a 1400
@U.S. Chess Live. Just like Fergus, I except chess as a whole, not a
separated piece. When I play, I tend to practice out theories from other
styles.  As you can see my theories haven't worked for me. It's nice to
see another open minded person join our group.

Gary Gifford wrote on Fri, Apr 9, 2004 09:31 PM UTC:
A 2317 rating... impressive, but I am very skeptical. In a recent comment Ryan Goebel stated 'I have benn [sic] wondering how good other people are please tell me your rating mine is 2317 and i am 10 years old.' That is very impressive, approaching a youthful Bobby Fischer status (perhaps already there). But when I searched the official rating lists I found no Ryan Goebel listed. There was another Goebel in the age 6 to 12 group. But he was rated 534 (far below the norm). The highest Goebel I found was rated 1530 (which is about the average rating of USCF tournament players). Ryan, if you want, please send your USCF ID number so I can verify your youthful Fischer-like strength... if it is a real thing, I want to know about it. But for now I must remain skeptical. As for me, my rating is only about 1830. That is a Class 'A' player... the next level up (2000) is Expert (the Brits call it 'Candidate Master' which is a nicer title. At 2200 we have Master. At 2400 we have Grand Master. Ryan, if you are 2317 at age 10, I want to read about you in the Chess Life magazine. I hope you can shatter my skepticism. We could use another Bobby Fischer (chess talent wise, not personality wise).

Ryan Goebel wrote on Sun, Apr 11, 2004 12:00 AM UTC:
I keap low to come from nowhere. and 2500 is a grandmaster not 2400

Gary Gifford wrote on Sun, Apr 11, 2004 04:15 PM UTC:
Ryan, you should still be listed on the official USCF ratings list. And to reach a 2317 rating you would not be able to 'keep low.' Thus your Bobbby Fischer like level of play is most baffling to me... and I still remain skeptical. Your USCF ID number could validate what you say... do you even have a USCF ID number? If you are indeed close to the highest rated 10 year old on the planet... then I really want Chess Life to do a story on it, and they'd love to. I would like to be shown to be wrong, but I think this 2317 rating story is no more than National Enquirer material. Please provide the ID number by e-mail to me so I can proove myself wrong. Thanks. Sincerely, Gary [really hoping that I am wrong]

Mark Thompson wrote on Sun, Apr 11, 2004 04:28 PM UTC:
Perhaps the number mentioned is the rating assigned by a computer opponent
that evaluates the player, achieved without playing in tournaments against
human beings?

If so, I'd recommend along with Gary Gifford that the player take part in
a tournament at his earliest convenience. News of a chess prodigy would
help to promote the game. And I don't think it would be at all bad for
the youngster's chess career to come forth and be recognized at that
point.

Roberto Lavieri wrote on Mon, Apr 12, 2004 03:02 AM UTC:
With 2317 (I suppose FIDE ELO), Ryan should be one of the strongest 10 years old players in the world, if not the highest ELO rating for people of his age. If this is your ELO rating, you must continue with chess. It is very possible you are going to become a Grand-Master very soon. Good luck. As for me, my FIDE ELO is around 1950, average-to-low class-A FIDE-Chess player (there are some 'oficially stronger' FIDE-Chess players that are frequent users of this Pages, and many others that are certainly very strong not-rated players). I don´t know how we can rate Chess Variants players. Some ratings and the way for calculate it have been stablished for Shogi or Xiang-Qi, and I think also for Glinsky, but it should be difficult to rate the players of many variants, fundamentally because we need a lot of 'federated' players for taking a good comparative rating, frequent Tournements, etc.

Ryan Goebel wrote on Mon, Apr 12, 2004 04:35 PM UTC:
I don't tell many people so nobody realy knows. I never told any record detorial so I do not have a id number

Gary Gifford wrote on Mon, Apr 12, 2004 04:56 PM UTC:
Ryan: Your last comment said a lot. Without an ID number you can not play in Official Tournaments, and cannot have an official chess rating. I am dissapointed... but as I thought, the 2317 rating only seems to exist in your own mind.

Roberto Lavieri wrote on Mon, Apr 12, 2004 05:50 PM UTC:
FIDE database is not complete, but one can find information about top federated players of many countries. Local databases should be useful for finding some more information about players, nevertheless, many active players information is not available. The top FIDE-Chess player in the world is still G.M. Garry Kasparov, ELO 2817, followed by G.M. Viswanathan Anand, from India, with ELO 2774, and G.M. Wladimir Kramnik, from Russia, ELO 2764. The top woman is G.M. Judith Polgar, from Hungary, with ELO 2728, the 9th. top ELO in the world. The top sub-14 years old player is G.M. Sergey Karjakin (14 y.o.), from Ukraine, ELO 2580. There are around 40 Grand-Masters is USA, Alexander Onischuk in the top with 2652, and the top USA junior ELO belongs to G.M. Hikaru Nakamura, 16 y.o player with japanese ancestors, his 2580 rating is much more than any Japanese player (In FIDE-Chess, of course. If we talk about Shogi, other is the case). The top 8 countries (average of top 100 players) are, in this order: Russia, Ukraine, England, Hungary, France, USA, Germany and Israel. Computer programs ELO?: there are some programs with a hight G.M. level, but it is not usual a measure in this case, programs play Chess with advantage, many of them have access to extensive databases of games, openings and ends, so they are not 'honest' playing Chess!

Roberto Lavieri wrote on Mon, Apr 12, 2004 07:29 PM UTC:
Best player against programs?. It seems the best score is for Viswanathan Anand. ELO is a comparative measure, but it is not always indicative of a result. Players with ELO around 1800-2100 can have more or less similar forces and any one can beat another in a single game, but the difference can be observed playing a lot of games. At the highest level, the differences are notorious between, say, a player with ELO 2600 and a player with ELO 2700. Nevertheless, at the top level, you can observe that Anand tendence is to be beated by Kasparov, Kramnik seems to be very uncomfortable for Kasparov and the tendence is in favor of Kramnik, and Anand tendence is to beat Kramnik!. Many times, all of them beat the dame Polgar without great difficulty, although Judith is very difficult to be beated by another player. Styles matter, I think.

Roberto Lavieri wrote on Mon, Apr 12, 2004 08:36 PM UTC:
Ryan, if your rating was asigned by a computer test, that is good, and you must be encouraged to participate in Tournements. If this is not the case, I agree with Michael Howe and you must moderate the inflation of your ego by not valid methods, or you may have some troubles in the future, and I´m trying to say this to you as a father, or as a friend. But the real importance of Chess to your life is not a rating. If you play Chess or any of its Variants, the knowledge involved is much more important: You can learn that every step you do in the life must be measured and calculated, trying to minimize errors. Chess seem to have some influence in the way you attack problems, too. You can lose a game, you can lose many games, but nothing of it is really important. The important is the path you are walking. Chess can be enjoyed equally winning or losing a game. It is a game, it is not life. Chess is one of the great entertainements you can find in life, like football, like baseball, but the learning of Chess can be more important to you than the learnings you can aquire from other sports. At least, I think that.

Ryan Goebel wrote on Thu, Apr 29, 2004 01:23 PM UTC:
do you guys know about the ozone layer

Jared McComb wrote on Thu, Apr 29, 2004 03:21 PM UTC:
This is not the place for asking about the ozone layer. Try an online encyclopedia.

Ryan Goebel wrote on Fri, Apr 30, 2004 10:44 PM UTC:
Im meant how it is depleating do any of you guys care and another question do you like walmart

Michael Nelson wrote on Fri, Apr 30, 2004 11:04 PM UTC:
Ryan, 

This is not the proper forum for the discussion of ozone depletion,
Walmart, Bush vs Kerry, Iraq, The Passion of the Christ, etc., etc., etc.

If you are not discussing Chess variants or very closely related topics,
please post to an appropiate forum for those topics and not here.

🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Fri, Apr 30, 2004 11:51 PM UTC:
Let me reiterate and add to what Michael Nelson has said. The Web is full
of forums on nearly any conceivable topic you can think of. If you want to
discuss subjects unrelated to this site, go to the appropriate site and
discuss them there. This site's comment areas are for discussions of
Chess variants and for comments specific to the contents of individual
pages. It is not for general discussion of any and every topic.

Let me add that some forums on the web have become cesspools of trolling,
baiting, flaming, and other nonsense. This site is an oasis of reasonable,
peaceful discussion, and that is mainly because we limit our discussions
to Chess variants and closely related subjects. If we started discussing
controversial subjects here, this site could turn into a place of
factions, fighting, and hostility. But that's not what this site is
about. It is about bringing together people who share a common interest in
a mutual spirit of good will and friendship. Let's keep it that way.

With that said, I'll add that there is nothing wrong, per se, with
discussing controversial subjects. If you want to discuss such issues,
feel free to go to a forum where they are being discussed. My main concern
is that doing it here would get in the way of what this site is really all
about. The ozone layer and Walmart may not seem like such controversial
subjects, but inviting discussion of them here would open the door to even
more controversial subjects.

A Bet loser wrote on Fri, Jun 25, 2004 11:37 PM UTC:Poor ★
Because I had a bet and I lost lol

Anonymous wrote on Tue, Sep 7, 2004 10:40 PM UTC:
I have a couple questions concerning the three-fold repetition rule. The
official FIDE version of the rule is:

The game is drawn, upon a correct claim by the player having the move,
when the same position, for at least the third time (not necessarily by
sequential repetition of moves) 
(a) is about to appear, if he first writes his move on his scoresheet and
declares to the arbiter his intention to make this move, or 
(b) has just appeared, and the player claiming the draw has the move. 
Positions as in (a) and (b) are considered the same, if the same player
has the move, pieces of the same kind and colour occupy the same squares,
and the possible moves of all the pieces of both players are the same. 
Positions are not the same if a pawn that could have been captured en
passant can no longer be captured or if the right to castle has been
changed temporarily or permanently.

My questions are on the last sentence. Consider this position:
W: Kc1 Nh1 Pc5
B: Kb8 Rc8 Nh8 Pd5
Black has just moved ...d5. The knights are then shuffled around,
resulting in the position repeating two more times. However, the rule
says
that 'positions are not the same if a pawn that could have been captured
en passant can no longer be captured.' In this case, the pawn cannot be
captured en passant in any of the three positions (the white pawn is
pinned). Are all three positions considered the same, even though the
right to capture the pawn en passant would have changed in the absence of
the pin?

My second question is about the 'right to castle' provision. Consider
this position:
W: Ke1 Ra1 Nb5
B: Kh4 Bf8
Suppose white's king and rook have not moved. The knight and bishop move
around, resulting in the position repeating two more times. However, in
doing so, the bishop checks the white king and is blocked by the knight.
Since the right to castle has been changed temporarily, are all three
positions the same?

Also, from that position, suppose that instead of white being checked,
white moves her knight between the king and rook. Since this temporarily
changes the right to castle, are all the positions the same?

Consider this position:
W: Ke1 Rh1 Bb2
B: Ka8 Ra7
From here, it is impossible for white to ever castle, even if his king
and
rook have not moved. Does it make a difference here if the right to
castle
is changed temporarily (e.g. the black rook checks the white king and is
blocked by the bishop)?

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