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🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Tue, Feb 28, 2023 03:09 AM UTC in reply to Bn Em from Mon Feb 27 11:14 PM:

The query string put boardrows ahead of boardcols, and I was assuming the reverse, since I normally write columns before rows. So, I changed the order of boardrows and boardcols in the query string to fix this.


Bn Em wrote on Mon, Feb 27, 2023 11:14 PM UTC:

A minor(?) bug in the board‐size pseudo‐tags: the numbers are interpreted in two different orders. To wit:

  • The Capablanca Chess page has a pseudo‐tag for a “10×8” Board; clicking this link leads to a query page for games with 10 ranks and 8 files
  • Conversely, selecting any game in that list (e.g. the first of its Game Pages alphabetically, Gilman's Avon) shows that its board‐size pseudo‐tag is “8×10”, a link leading to the 8‐rank/10‐file query where e.g. Capa can be found

Minor at least in the sense of a presumably trivial fix ;‌)


🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Wed, Feb 15, 2023 05:33 PM UTC in reply to Ben Reiniger from Tue Feb 14 11:38 PM:

I had inserted standard code for reading the query string. This code first tried parsing the value of getenv("QUERY_STRING") with parse_str(). However, the parse_str() function uses urldecode(), which converts + signs into spaces. To get around this, I cut out that portion of the code and now just get the values of the query string from $_REQUEST. I made this change to taginfo.php, addtags.php, and deletetag.php.


📝Ben Reiniger wrote on Wed, Feb 15, 2023 12:49 PM UTC in reply to Jean-Louis Cazaux from 06:39 AM:

But what do these add, now with board size specified and linked at the bottom of pages?


Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on Wed, Feb 15, 2023 06:39 AM UTC in reply to Ben Reiniger from Tue Feb 14 11:35 PM:

To my opinion it is interesting to have a tag related to board size. But those tags should be rationalised. Either 12x12 or Dozenal but not both. Also their form to be consistent. We have "board: 10x8" and "12x12".


📝Ben Reiniger wrote on Tue, Feb 14, 2023 11:38 PM UTC:

@Fergus, the Chess+Compounds link, and adding of that tag, don't work, presumably something has changed with the handling of the +.


📝Ben Reiniger wrote on Tue, Feb 14, 2023 11:35 PM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from Sat Jan 28 02:49 AM:

Since people keep wanting to use tags for information that is already stored in the database, I have modified the footer script to include categories and board dimensions just above the tags section.

Did any of the folks interested in board size tags still find them useful after this addition, or can we delete them?


🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Sat, Jan 28, 2023 02:49 AM UTC in reply to Daniel Zacharias from 02:03 AM:

Since people keep wanting to use tags for information that is already stored in the database, I have modified the footer script to include categories and board dimensions just above the tags section.


Daniel Zacharias wrote on Sat, Jan 28, 2023 02:03 AM UTC:

What would be an appropriate tag for hexagonal boards?


Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on Tue, Jan 24, 2023 02:01 PM UTC:

We have a tag for "Dozenal" and a tag for "12x12Board". Both are addressing exactly the same thing. May an editor clean one of them?


Kevin Pacey wrote on Mon, Jan 23, 2023 08:18 PM UTC:

I edited my previous comment a lot, for any who missed it.


Kevin Pacey wrote on Mon, Jan 23, 2023 03:58 PM UTC:

Well, I recall a published preset[s] (landing) page can get commented on and also get CVP Rating[s] ('Excellent', etc.) given to the preset[s] by posters (I would think one purpose of a landing page is to neatly allow comments on the quality of the preset[s] itself, i.e. the graphics, whether it works etc.; also, something like CWDA has so many sub-presets that a single unifying landing page may be best). Ratings are a way to track down published presets/CVs, possibly (currently the CVP 'Average Ratings' link gives only ratings for games with Rules Pages already submitted).

Unfortunately, unpublished presets (or Game Settings files) cannot seem to get CVP ratings (or non-Kibbitz comments, unless during submission process, if any) given to them, I think [too].


📝Ben Reiniger wrote on Mon, Jan 23, 2023 03:47 PM UTC in reply to Kevin Pacey from 02:10 PM:

@Kevin, indeed GC presets aren't "Items" in the database, and so can't be favorited, commented on, tagged, etc. Perhaps some of that can be changed, but it would be a pretty big change. (I think favorites should be limited to games, but comments on a preset separate from the game make sense to me. I'm not sure about tags: I wouldn't want information duplicated between the game and the preset, but maybe there are sensible preset-specific tags? But then we'd have the same system for two disjoint sets of objects...)

As for searching for presets (without a Game or preset landing page*), maybe the /play/pbm/listgames.php script should take additional filtering options.

*That's another thing: the pairing of preset landing pages (MP... for member-submitted ones) with presets has always seemed redundant to me.


Kevin Pacey wrote on Mon, Jan 23, 2023 02:10 PM UTC:

Hi Ben

I cannot seem to find 'Games on same Board' as a (e.g. 'Related') option for unsubmitted/unofficial presets. For example, (10x10) game courier preset zcherryz7c

https://www.chessvariants.com/play/pbm/play.php?game=zcherryz7c&settings=zcherryz7c

Maybe I could find other 10x10 games if I used a tag for either that preset or 10x10 boards? (I know nothing about tags, really, though). The rules for tags may indicate that unpublished presets are not allowed to have tags (nor are Game Settings files?), though.

Tags that worked well with unsubmitted presets (or on Game Settings files) would be good, as you wouldn't have to wait for a preset to be submitted (and eventually published, if deemed acceptable) in order to try to track it down, without slowly searching through the 1000+ games on the Game Courier list of games.


📝Ben Reiniger wrote on Mon, Jan 23, 2023 01:47 AM UTC in reply to Jörg Knappen from Sun Jan 22 08:01 PM:

@Jörg You can also get to same-board listings from the header menu, Related->Games on Same Board.


Jörg Knappen wrote on Sun, Jan 22, 2023 08:01 PM UTC:

I find the square board tags quite handy, they allow a quick navigation to other games on the same board. Going to the game info page and selecting the right category (best working is the number of cells in the case of square boards) takes longer.

And I really love the piece tags.


📝Ben Reiniger wrote on Sat, Jan 21, 2023 10:53 PM UTC:

Thanks Thomas, you're right. Neither of these tags should exist anyway, because item entries already store the number of rows and columns, and that's a better way to search for items.

We started to work on adding pieces to the database a couple of years ago, and I'd like to pick that back up. Eventually that would replace the piece tags here (at least, I think it would be better), but until we get scripts up for crowdsourcing the piece-game relation table, I think users adding tags like these will work, and we can migrate the information over later.


Thomas wrote on Sat, Jan 21, 2023 05:30 PM UTC:

The tags "12X12Board" and "Dozenal" are duplicate.


🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Tue, Dec 20, 2022 04:50 PM UTC:

I have added one more restriction on tags. They must be written entirely in ASCII characters. For the sake of posting comments to tag pages, tags form the basis for the ItemIDs of tag pages. To avoid the illegal mix of collations errors from the database, they, like ItemIDs, are now limited to ASCII.


🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Tue, Mar 23, 2021 01:34 AM UTC in reply to Greg Strong from Mon Mar 22 10:02 PM:

I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean connect with SSH and I'll find it in clear text in a mariadb config file?

No, that's not what I mean. I mean a php script that is outside of public_html that gets included in every php script that accesses the database.


Greg Strong wrote on Mon, Mar 22, 2021 10:02 PM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from 08:51 PM:

The database has a new password, which you can find by logging in and looking it up in the file that contains it.

I'm not sure what you mean.  Do you mean connect with SSH and I'll find it in clear text in a mariadb config file?


🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Mon, Mar 22, 2021 08:51 PM UTC in reply to Greg Strong from 02:33 PM:

Which reminds me - is the table of piece types and their IDs/internal names finalized? If it is, I can start populating the piece<->game mappings. I have the data to populate this for about 135 games in a fairly automatic way.

Okay, sure. I have been sidetracked by other things for a while. The database has a new password, which you can find by logging in and looking it up in the file that contains it.


Greg Strong wrote on Mon, Mar 22, 2021 08:24 PM UTC in reply to Ben Reiniger from 06:50 PM:

I think in part this class deserves a quickly found list because it's so common to want to include the compounds; it may help new developers understand the prior art in this area.

Ok, yes, this is a good point


📝Ben Reiniger wrote on Mon, Mar 22, 2021 06:50 PM UTC in reply to Greg Strong from 02:33 PM:

OTOH, the tags for groupings of pieces feels like a kludge that offers very little value if the other approach is available...

This depends on what kind of search utility we can provide (elegantly), and how much convenience we think this class of games deserves. The current definition of the tag would need a search like "includes at least one of marshall/archbishop/amazon and no pieces outside of FIDE+those".

I think in part this class deserves a quickly found list because it's so common to want to include the compounds; it may help new developers understand the prior art in this area.


🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Mon, Mar 22, 2021 04:58 PM UTC in reply to Ben Reiniger from 02:17 PM:

should KRBN-compounds be separate from Man-RBN-compounds?

In Fusion Chess, compounds with the King are royal. So, some distinction might be appropriate. You might be thinking of a game like Sac Chess for the latter, but that game also has Amazons, which Fusion Chess doesn't have. Here are some options:

  • Use Pieces:Chess+Compounds more loosely
  • Same as above but include child tags for variations.
  • Make many fine distinctions in children of Pieces.
  • Just use names of games with certain piece sets, such as Pieces:Carrera's Chess, Pieces:Fusion Chess, Pieces:Sac Chess, etc.
  • A hybrid approach that uses game names for larger sets to avoid making long tags like long German words.

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