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George Duke wrote on Wed, Dec 1, 2010 06:24 PM UTC:
Jaguaribe concludes, ''Who wants to try this Gargantuan variant?'' Author of the Gargantua series, Francois Rabelais(1494-1553) had the new regina rabiosa Chess much in mind throughout his works, and Book V has couple of chapters the most relevant of all: foremost chapter 25 here ''How the Thirty-Two Persons at the Ball Fought,'' 
http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/r/rabelais/francois/r11g/book5.25.html,
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Fifth_Book?Chapter_XXV. It is a living Chess game. [The better Wikisource translation by Urquhart & Motteux] Opening d2-d4, ''the Nymph who stood before the Queen moved two squares forwards.'' It is modern chess because before then there was not allowed opening-double.  ''They only strike sideways'' means of course that Pawn capture mode had already stayed the same for a thousand years. Old-style Castling is described, called free castling, 
http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz31.txt,
which has additional definition right now. King to Rook's spot like that described by Rabelais 'Book V Chapter XXV' is not permitted within Shatranj, so again Modern Chess.   And so on thirty-fold more clauses the same Gargantuan chapter, the likes of ''a mighty loss to that party'' indeed having one's Rook/Tower captured.
http://www.ebookmall.com/3492013349569634540/Ga-Pl.-AE55.pdf

💡📝Claudio Martins Jaguaribe wrote on Mon, Nov 29, 2010 05:24 PM UTC:
Guys:

Besides some suggestions from Daniil and a comment form Mr. Gilman I had no response about this topic/project. So, it’s like The Little Red Hen story; if you are thinking: “I can do it better “, remember that you didn’t and I did. If you have any suggestions, I’m open to then, but, first, read the rules.

Until now I’ve been gathering few ideas, but I didn’t yet made the calculations of the number of the pieces, just the base moves and the templates (take a look at http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSbasepiecesandt to understand the concept).

At this point I need help with the pieces names (yes, I know kings, etc, but some others…).

O	1	n	S2	S3	S4	L2	L3	L4	2+	3+	4+	cL1	mL1	mcL1	Sl	Sk
D	1	n	S2	S3	S4	L2	L3	L4	2+	3+	4+	cL1	mL1	mcL1	Sl	Sk
C	1	n	S2	S3	S4	L2	L3	L4	2+	3+	4+	cL1	mL1	mcL1	Sl	Sk
O fD	1	n	S2	S3	S4	L2	L3	L4	2+	3+	4+	cL1	mL1	mcL1	Sl	Sk
D fO	1	n	S2	S3	S4	L2	L3	L4	2+	3+	4+	cL1	mL1	mcL1	Sl	Sk
fO	1	n	S2	S3	S4	L2	L3	L4	2+	3+	4+	cL1	mL1	mcL1	Sl	Sk
fD	1	n	S2	S3	S4	L2	L3	L4	2+	3+	4+	cL1	mL1	mcL1	Sl	Sk
fC	1	n	S2	S3	S4	L2	L3	L4	2+	3+	4+	cL1	mL1	mcL1	Sl	Sk
mO cD	1	n	S2	S3	S4	L2	L3	L4	2+	3+	4+	cL1	mL1	mcL1	Sl	Sk
mD cO	1	n	S2	S3	S4	L2	L3	L4	2+	3+	4+	cL1	mL1	mcL1	Sl	Sk
mfO cfD	1	n	S2	S3	S4	L2	L3	L4	2+	3+	4+	cL1	mL1	mcL1	Sl	Sk
mfD cfO	1	n	S2	S3	S4	L2	L3	L4	2+	3+	4+	cL1	mL1	mcL1	Sl	Sk

To help you, help me, let me tell you what means the letters: O- orthogonal, D- diagonal, C- compound (O+D), f- forward, m- move, c- capture, n= any number, S(n)- slides the number, L(n)- leaps the number, (n)+- must at least slide the number, L1- cannon capture movement, Sl- slip movement, Sk- skip movement.

For the knight family, I have, now, the following:

O1 D1, D1 O1	L	Lf	S	SOD	SDO	R	GM	SR	SODR	SDOR	SGM	SODGM	SDOGM
O2 D1, D1 O2	L	Lf	S	SOD	SDO	R	GM	SR	SODR	SDOR	SGM	SODGM	SDOGM
O3 D1, D1 O3	L	Lf	S	SOD	SDO	R	GM	SR	SODR	SDOR	SGM	SODGM	SDOGM
O1 D2, D2 O1	L	Lf	S	SOD	SDO	R	GM	SR	SODR	SDOR	SGM	SODGM	SDOGM
O1 D3, D3 O1	L	Lf	S	SOD	SDO	R	GM	SR	SODR	SDOR	SGM	SODGM	SDOGM
O2 D2, D2 O2	L	Lf	S	SOD	SDO	R	GM	SR	SODR	SDOR	SGM	SODGM	SDOGM

L- leaps, Lf- leaps forward (Shogilike), Slides (Moo), R- rider, GM- Grand Master.

A note about the Grand Master, see the description on the Bizarro Chess.
(http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSbizarrochess)

The 4:2 Leaper, although Mr. Gilman named it Charolais, I name it the Templar, because of the Knights Templar seal (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Templarsign.jpg)

The irony is that the Portuguese piece name is horse (cavalo), but as I use a lot of English I use the knight/religious orders ranks.

Any suggestions?

Hugs!

💡📝Claudio Martins Jaguaribe wrote on Fri, Oct 1, 2010 07:12 PM UTC:
Daniil, I've got over 60 or more per side and still counting...

Charles Gilman wrote on Thu, Sep 2, 2010 06:26 PM UTC:
'Captures as gold, moves as silver; Captures as silver, moves as gold;' My Silversteward and Goldsteward follow these patterns, and their riders add the suffix -ess.

'Are reverse gold and silver (and their divergent versions) worth?' The reversed pieces I term Goldcoward and Silvercoward. I don't think I've covered divergent ones yet.

'Capture as dragon king moves as dragon horse; Moves as dragon king, captures as dragon horse; Forward-only versions of dragon and divergent dragon pieces.' Now these I haven't covered yet. I have similar pieces with the augmentation to the Bishop being by a Dabbaba move - Pawned Chatelaine, Yeomanned Inquisitor - but not by a Wazir one. When I devised simpler names for the dragon pieces - Chatelaine and Primate - I did so with extrapolation in mind, to forward-only as well as to 3d, so I termed the FO versions Caryatid and Abbot. As the Goldsteward and Silversteard Pawn one move and Yeoman the other, I suppose I should also think of Chatelaine/Primate and Caryatid/Abbot divergent pieces. Likewise in 3d Vicereine/Besieger, Virago/Ram, Moderator/Heretic, Elder/Xorn, Baroness/Regent, Heiress/Commissioner, Diarch/Usurper, Presumptive/Assassin, Dowager/Pope, and Devotee/Nuncio ones.


💡📝Claudio Martins Jaguaribe wrote on Tue, Aug 31, 2010 05:44 PM UTC:
Dear Daniil:

I've read your message.

I loved it! Ididn't fully evaluated it becaus I'm having sime troubles in my life, so omy interest in CVs have diminished. This weekend I'll take a look at the coment.

Hugs!

Daniil Frolov wrote on Wed, Aug 25, 2010 08:43 AM UTC:
In previous comment i said that forward-only orthogonal is not sideways. Maybe, sideways move of forward and silver pieces should be achieved by crossing river?

Daniil Frolov wrote on Wed, Aug 25, 2010 08:40 AM UTC:
I don't know, is it ok, but here how i see this:
Directions:
Orthogonal;
Diagonal;
Diagonal+orthogonal;
Divergent - captures diagonal, moves orthogonal;
Captures orthogonal, moves diagonal;
Forward-only orthogonal (it don't mean sideways);
Forward-only diagonal;
Forward-only diagonal+orthogonal;
Captures forward diagonal, moves forward orthogonal;
Captures forard orthogonal, moves forward diagonal;
Gold - orthogonal+forward diagonal;
Silver - diagonal+forward orthogonal;
Captures as gold, moves as silver;
Captures as silver, moves as gold;
Are reverse gold and silver (and thier divergent versions) worth?
Dragon king - orthogonal is long-range, diagonal is short-range (see below for range);
Dragon horse - diagonal is long-range, orthogonal is short-range;
Capture as dragon king moves as dragon horse;
Moves as dragon king, captures as dragon horse;
Forward-only versions of dragon anddivergent dragon pieces.
Hopping (cannon-like moves. It's only possible to hop over pieces on spaces, where hopping piece would be able to move if it would be non-hopping move):
Non-hopping;
Chinese - moves as non-hopping, captures as hopping;
Korean - both captures and moves are hopping;
Moves as hopping, captures as non-hopping.
Range:
Long-range;
Short range (hopping short-range pieces leaps to closest space, where respective long-range would be able to move, that is, hopping version of man is grasshopper, hopping version of ferz is bishopper, etc.).
Kinds of movement:
1 step - ferz, wazir, ferzrider (bishop), wazirrider (rook), etc;
2 steps - alfil, dababah, alfilrider, etc;
1 step move, followed by another 1 step move at 45 degrres;
1 step move, followed by 2 step move at 45 degrees (zebra, Korean elephant...);
2 step move, followed by 1 step move at 45 degrees (camel);
2 step move, followed by another 2 step move at 45 degrees.
Originally i thought about bent-riders (like gryphon) as long-range versions of bent movers, but now i think nightrider-like pieces are better.
Leap ability:
For 2-step movers it's simple: leaping and non-leaping (how elephant of shatranj differs from elephant of xiangqi);
For bent-movers, there are 3 groups:
Each bent move is unblockable at all (that's how FIDE knight and zebramoves);
Korean elephant-like: alfil and dababa moves are non-leaping;
Alfil and dababa moves are unblockable, but move can be blocked when piece turns 45 degrees (this version of zebra and Korean elephant makes 1 wazir move if square is empty, when turns 45 degrees and makes leaping alfil move. Non-leaping knight of this group don't differ from non-leaping knight of previous grop, but camel, zebra and (4,2) mover are different).

There are already too many pieces. Other suggestions?

Joe Joyce wrote on Tue, Aug 24, 2010 11:17 PM UTC:
Hi, Claudio. The ShortRange Project is an article specifically about pieces, their basic components, how to put them together and take them apart, pieces of all kinds. While there are a good number of games associated with the project, the original paper is entirely and only about pieces, so it got the 'pieces' symbol. This article certainly seemed to be about a game or a type of game, so I gave it the checkerboard symbol. I'll look through the list of options and see if I can come up with something better... :-D Joe heh heh heh

💡📝Claudio Martins Jaguaribe wrote on Tue, Aug 24, 2010 03:27 PM UTC:
Daniil:

The idea here is bring the best and the maximum of pieces to work.

Place your pieces here.

Hugs!


PS: Anybody else:

PS2: Editors, whenever possible, put the white horse, as the Short Range Project (it's an article).

Daniil Frolov wrote on Tue, Aug 24, 2010 08:19 AM UTC:
I'm now thinking about something like this :). Here grasshopper-like moving pieces counts as short-range cannons.

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