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Centaur. Moves as Knight or Man. Also known as Centaur.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
timurthelenk wrote on Sat, Apr 13 06:29 AM UTC in reply to Bn Em from Sun Apr 7 08:17 PM:

@Bn Em: I like that reference to the Lamassu. Some of the Afrasiab set, the oldest chess set known, have always made me think of that creature. Maybe I was inconsciently influenced :=)?

I will print this design in few weeks to see how it looks like in hands.


Bob Greenwade wrote on Mon, Apr 8 04:30 PM UTC in reply to Bn Em from 03:30 PM:

The term ‘Lama’ he uses for that is a religious title (incl., f.ex., the Dalai Lama); as best as I can tell the word is totally unrelated

It's also been sometimes mistakenly called a Llama, which is also unrelated to either (though to be fair, Lama is the name of the genus that includes llamas, alpacas, and others).


Bn Em wrote on Mon, Apr 8 03:30 PM UTC in reply to HaruN Y from 05:29 AM:

The term ‘Lama’ he uses for that is a religious title (incl., f.ex., the Dalai Lama); as best as I can tell the word is totally unrelated


HaruN Y wrote on Mon, Apr 8 05:29 AM UTC in reply to Bn Em from Sun Apr 7 08:17 PM:

Isn't that Gilman's [D?B]?


Bob Greenwade wrote on Sun, Apr 7 08:59 PM UTC in reply to Bn Em from 08:17 PM:

With the height (if not the style) of the headgear (and in the first image the barely‐noticeable arms), my first thought was rather of the Lamassu (a creature yet to be graced with a place in a CV)

Hm. It looks like it might work as a K4N0CZ. :)


Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on Sun, Apr 7 08:30 PM UTC in reply to Bn Em from 08:17 PM:

@Bn Em: I like that reference to the Lamassu. Some of the Afrasiab set, the oldest chess set known, have always made me think of that creature. Maybe I was inconsciently influenced :=)?

I will print this design in few weeks to see how it looks like in hands.


Bn Em wrote on Sun, Apr 7 08:17 PM UTC in reply to Jean-Louis Cazaux from Sat Apr 6 12:20 PM:

With the height (if not the style) of the headgear (and in the first image the barely‐noticeable arms), my first thought was rather of the Lamassu (a creature yet to be graced with a place in a CV)

But I agree it's probably the most centaurine piece model I've seen so far


🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Sat, Apr 6 05:34 PM UTC in reply to Jean-Louis Cazaux from 03:44 PM:

With the arms and the tail, it is looking a lot more like a centaur


Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on Sat, Apr 6 03:44 PM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from 12:59 PM:

I've added a tail. I put the arm a bit upper (it was not a collar). I reworked the neck a little bit (I guess is what was taken for ... ears). How is it now?

 


Bob Greenwade wrote on Sat, Apr 6 01:52 PM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from 12:59 PM:

The "floppy ears" is an optical illusion on the white one only. Similarly, the black one has an illusion of a Bishop-like cleft. Neither is a major problem with the others present. However, I'd agree with taking out that ridge across the front.

Otherwise, I absolutely prefer this model of yours, Jean-Louis. It's probably the best-done Centaur model yet, from anyone.

Edit: My comment crossed paths with your second attempt, which is much better. In fact, it's as near to perfect as I could imagine.


Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on Sat, Apr 6 01:51 PM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from 12:59 PM:

I've added a tail. I put the arm a bit upper (it was not a collar). I reworked the neck a little bit (I guess is what was taken for ... ears). How is it now?

 


🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Sat, Apr 6 12:59 PM UTC in reply to Jean-Louis Cazaux from 12:20 PM:

This is looking a lot more like a centaur than your previous attempt. But it also looks like it has floppy ears like a dog and some kind of collar, which also adds to the dog-like appearance. Since you’re showing the rear end, adding a horse tail over it would be a nice touch.


Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on Sat, Apr 6 12:20 PM UTC in reply to Jean-Louis Cazaux from Thu Apr 4 02:38 PM:

Could this one be a Centaur?


Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on Thu, Apr 4 02:38 PM UTC in reply to Kevin Pacey from Wed Apr 3 08:20 PM:

Don t worry Kevin for that. All my friendship and thoughts for you in these moments.


Kevin Pacey wrote on Wed, Apr 3 08:20 PM UTC in reply to Jean-Louis Cazaux from 08:06 PM:

Hi J-L

I may have been too critical, based on seeing the picture, like an earlier post of yours alluded to. If you're holding it up close and it looks fine to you, by all means stick with it.

K


Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on Wed, Apr 3 08:06 PM UTC in reply to Kevin Pacey from Tue Apr 2 10:14 PM:

@Kevin: I'll see if I can do better.


Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on Wed, Apr 3 05:02 AM UTC in reply to Bob Greenwade from Tue Apr 2 10:33 PM:

@Bob: I'm sure you won't stop there. I look forward for your Rasta Knight, Rasta Bishop (!), etc.


Bob Greenwade wrote on Tue, Apr 2 10:33 PM UTC in reply to Kevin Pacey from 06:41 PM:

Either that, or use a spikey style hairdo on the knight, like a punk-look. :)

I've now created a model based on that idea. Now I just have to figure out how to implement a Punk Knight. :)

(This could lead to Punk Bishop, Punk Rook, Punk Camel, Punk Zebra....)


Kevin Pacey wrote on Tue, Apr 2 10:14 PM UTC in reply to Jean-Louis Cazaux from 09:52 PM:

@ Jean-Louis

If I looked at the right pictures in one of your earlier links (title of it including 'recent', I think), I didn't like the second Centaur option pictured because I thought it reminded me rather more of a bishop, at least without looking too carefully.

Perhaps that can be 'solved' if it's possible to include a lot more of the base of a knight, maybe even up to horse neck level, including much thicker 'carved lines' at the spine (maybe certain Staunton sets are that way?), and having the bend of the figurine somehow eliminated could be good.


Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on Tue, Apr 2 09:52 PM UTC in reply to H. G. Muller from 06:59 PM:

@HG: I don't understand what you mean: "Well, the knight-on-a-shaped-base is a move-oriented solution, so it ignores the name entirely."

If you mean that a KN represented by a knight topped with something (a crown, a cross, an helmet) is ignoring the name "centaur", I agree.

I had designed 2 pieces for KN (you can see on my recent page). One is a knight topped with a cross, another one is a bottom of knight, headless, with a greek warrior helmet. Only this second one is a centaur to my eyes.

I was looking at it, in my hands, few minutes ago. I really see a centaur when I look at it. Maybe you and others have a different opinion because you have seen a photo only. It doesn't matter. As long as I, I am seeing something like a centaur, as long as I can explain to any friend playing with me, it does the job.

If someone comes with another idea which I find better, I will update my design. I'm not stubborn. I did that for the archer. For long I thought it was impossible to have an archer design good enough. Until I found one and I changed my mind.


Kevin Pacey wrote on Tue, Apr 2 07:04 PM UTC in reply to Jean-Louis Cazaux from 06:47 PM:

I'm not sure a reverse centaur isn't considered a type of centaur by at least some people, but yes, it isn't the archetype. Still, the guard symbol on top of the knight figurine is what was decided on for Alfaerie 2D figurines, at least, as Daniel is alluding to.

Calling a Centaur piece type a Judge was something I did when somehow I thought I saw no entry for NWF in wikipedia the first time I looked at a fairy pieces wiki (maybe edited since, or I missed it), before I applied to and looked at CVP site. A 3D figurine for a judge-person may be easier to imagine and create, who knows. On the bright side, there are nothing but real people (or rook) represented among Sac Chess pieces, i.e. nothing mythical used for CV warfare in my CV's case.


H. G. Muller wrote on Tue, Apr 2 06:59 PM UTC in reply to Jean-Louis Cazaux from 06:47 PM:

Well, the knight-on-a-shaped-base is a move-oriented solution, so it ignores the name entirely.


Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on Tue, Apr 2 06:47 PM UTC in reply to Kevin Pacey from 06:41 PM:

As far as I'm concerned, I want to avoid using a knight at all. I want a centaur. A centaur doesn't have a horse's head. By definition.

Maybe for Kevin there is another solution: as for you it's a judge, maybe it's easier to find a representation.


H. G. Muller wrote on Tue, Apr 2 06:44 PM UTC in reply to Daniel Zacharias from 06:22 PM:

That is how I represented the ferz-knight and wazir-knight in Jocly (e.g. in Scirocco): A Knight on a somewhat taller base (so it is not so easily confused with a normal Knight) in the shape of a cross, oriented along the F or W move.


Kevin Pacey wrote on Tue, Apr 2 06:41 PM UTC in reply to Daniel Zacharias from 06:22 PM:

Either that, or use a spikey style hairdo on the knight, like a punk-look. :)


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