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Chess/Xianqi/Shogi Tournament #1. Enter the First Chess/Xiangqi/Shogi Game Courier Tournament![All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
📝Antoine Fourrière wrote on Sun, Jul 9, 2006 03:34 AM UTC:
I would prefer more than three players for the Chess-Xiangqi-Shogi phase.
 
How about a Shogi event starting in January, then a Chess event starting
in March, then a Xiangqi event starting in May (because Shogi tends to
take more time than Chess, which tends to take more time than Xiangqi)?.
Each event would have the players moving twice as White and twice as
Black.  If say three players tie for first, the BS/SB method ranks them
for tie-breaks, with player 2 moving first against player 3, and the
winner moving second against player 1, so that there are seldom more than
six games for an individual event (and only four if you don't tie for
first).

Then you give 1 point to the winner, 0.5 point to the runner up, 0.333 to
the third ranked player, and so on... in each game, and you qualify the
seven better players for the second round (thus, the winners for a single
event always get qualified). These seven players move each once as White
and once as Black at each game, with a higher BS/SB ranking in a tie-break
situation giving the higher-ranked player the right either to move first
(and the lower-ranked player choosing at which game) or to choose between
Chess, Xiangqi or Shogi (and the lower-ranked player moving first).

Gary Gifford wrote on Sat, Jul 8, 2006 06:54 PM UTC:
I think a two phase event such as described below, might work well:

Phase A: Consists of Chess Event, Xianqi Event, and Shogi Event.
A player could play in any one, any 2, or all 3.*
Each game event gets a single winner who holds that title.

Phase B: is a three player round Robin from the winners of Phase A.

Note 1: If Player #x won all 3 events in phase A, phase B is not played.
Note 2: If Player #x won 2 of the 3 events in Phase A, then he or she is
the overall champ and Phase B is not played.
Note 3: If players x, y, and z are independent champs, then Phase B is
played for the overall title.

*Playing in one event gives you a chance to win that game title, but is
risky due to note 2; because another player might have won 2 events;
thereby not giving you a chance of the overal title.

📝Antoine Fourrière wrote on Sat, Jul 8, 2006 05:29 PM UTC:
I would suggest to hold a second Chess-Xiangqi-Shogi Tournament at the
beginning of next year, but not before the bulk of GCT#3 is over.
However, it might be worth discussing the Chess-Xiangqi-Shogi formula
right now. Should it still be a three-phase Tournament or should it be
completely revamped?
In my opinion, a two-phase Tournament would be simpler, with nine games in
the first phase (each player moving first twice at Chess and once at
Xiangqi or vice versa, since moving first as Shogi doesn't matter a lot),
and the players with two wins and a draw, or either two wins or a win and
two draws and enough points, advancing to the individual tournaments, with
the higher-ranked player always moving first, or enjoying a bye in some
situations. (This way, a single loss in the first phase wouldn't
completely bar a player from entering the Tournament for that variant.)
Of course, a one-phase Tournament would be even simpler, but then there
would be no Chess Champion, Xiangqi Champion or Shogi Champion, which
might turn off competitors who are mostly interested into one game, but
would be willing to enter a CXS Tournament because they might do well at
their favourite game in the second phase.
The formula should mostly depend of how many games the future participants
are willing to play.

Nasmichael Farris wrote on Thu, Jul 6, 2006 05:46 PM UTC:
I really enjoyed the 'chess trifecta', and I hope we can hold a tourney like that again next quarter. Thanks to all the players -- and there were some great games here!

Roberto Lavieri wrote on Sun, Jul 2, 2006 02:42 PM UTC:Good ★★★★
I have been looking some of the games played, and some of them are very interesting. Nice Tournament. Congrats for all the players, I suppose you have had fun with it, gentlemen. Aaah... Special congrats for Antoine, I`m not talking about Chess, it is Soccer. What a game France-Brazil!. Zidane?: of other world!, what a classy player!, one of the best of all times!. Sorry, brazilians,you have played fatally, nobody could be sure you were playing there... all your millionary superstars have played below everybody expected. Are going to be les bleus in the final?. Perhaps, against Azzurri team, am I wrong?. Who is going to use the blue shirt in that case?.

🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Sat, Jul 1, 2006 10:57 PM UTC:
I already programmed Game Courier this morning to discount a week of lost time in any game interrupted by the downtime this past week. But I did forget that I also needed to make the same change to the Logs page, since it is programmed to end games that have run out of time. I have now done this. If, in the meantime, it prematurely ended any game, that can be fixed by manually editing the log. Otherwise, everything should be fine now. If there are any bugs, it will be up to me to fix it.

📝Antoine Fourrière wrote on Sat, Jul 1, 2006 10:21 PM UTC:
Because of the server shutdown, one of the players has lost seven days in each game. I don't know exactly how to add more time to that player only, but at the very least it shouldn't be too difficult to add manually a week's time to both players, which I intend to do for the games whose player who has been deprived of time prefers it. Sorry for the inconvenience.

📝Antoine Fourrière wrote on Sat, Jun 17, 2006 08:11 PM UTC:
The games have been assigned.

📝Antoine Fourrière wrote on Thu, Jun 15, 2006 12:31 AM UTC:
Aw! I have noticed that ties are decided by Buchholz-Sokoloff before Sonneborg-Berger just after having sent emails to the seven remaining players telling them that the games should be assigned Saturday. Mercifully it doesn't seem to change the ranking.

📝Antoine Fourrière wrote on Fri, Jun 9, 2006 02:28 PM UTC:
Since I am presently unable to access the control panel, I'll write the
results hereafter.


The last game of Chess between Nicola Caridi and Thomas McElmurry ended in
a draw.

FD	4 points, SB=10, qualified at Xiangqi
JG	1 point, SB=0
TT	3 points, SB=5, qualified at Chess
SH	4 points, SB=8, qualified at Xiangqi
PP	0 point, SB=0
NC	4.5 points, SB=10.75, qualified at Chess and Shogi
TM	2.5 points, SB=3.75
NF	1.5 points, SB=1.25
AF	5 points, SB=15.5, qualified at Chess and Xiangqi
DP	2.5 points, SB=4.25, qualified at Shogi
GG	5 points, SB=12, qualified at Chess and Shogi

The overall ranking is    AF GG NC FD SH TT DP TM NF JG PP.

Hence the second-round games will be:
Chess  AF vs. GG, AF vs. NC, AF vs. TT, GG vs. NC, GG vs. TT, NC vs. TT
Xiangqi  AF vs. FD, AF vs. SH, FD vs. SH
Shogi,  GG vs. NC, GG vs. DP, NC vs. DP,
with the player named first moving first.

To qualify for the second-round play-offs, a player will have to tie for
first or to be just half a point behind (excepted for Nicola Caridi who
qualified at Chess with a win and a draw). So, if a player wins all his
games in a variant, he will be declared Champion for that variant.

I am also directly qualified for the third round with the Chess Champion,
the Xiangqi Champion and the Shogi Champion, with Gary Gifford, Nicola
Caridi and Fergus Duniho as possible substitutes in case of overlap.

📝Antoine Fourrière wrote on Fri, Jun 9, 2006 02:19 PM UTC:
This Tournament is less important than the yearly Game Courier Tournament, and it is CXS#1 which has to adapt its schedule to GCT#3. Since the poll for GCT#3 hasn't started yet, I propose to start to assign the games next week, since there are players who may be willing to play in both tournaments and would prefer to avoid too much overlap. However, the players who prefer to play their second-round games this summer or this fall may ask for a delay. So, please state whether you prefer to play your second-round games now or later (in which case it may be even later, if your opponent so wishes). I also intend to use looser time limits (28 days and 20 hours). The third round will probably have to be played at the start of next year.

🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Fri, Jun 9, 2006 02:26 AM UTC:
All the first round games have finished. When can we expect the next round?

Nasmichael Farris wrote on Wed, Apr 5, 2006 08:04 PM UTC:Excellent ★★★★★
I am really enjoying the tournament; the mental flexibility that it
requires is energizing.  I work with young kids who love chess, and I have
shown them the positions in my games.  Some had not before heard of XiangQi
or Shogi, and those who had were really excited to talk about their parents
(some of whom grew up playing one of the Eastern standards) and the parents
were pleased to hear they were also learning about these games as well--it
was validating to hear praises of the game sung by someone else.

Thanks for offering the tourney.  I hope after this one, we have another.

Phoenix TKar wrote on Wed, Feb 22, 2006 05:33 AM UTC:
Thanks :)

Thomas McElmurry wrote on Tue, Feb 21, 2006 07:07 AM UTC:
Here they are.

Phoenix TKar wrote on Tue, Feb 21, 2006 06:12 AM UTC:
Greetings,

Question: You have a list of who's playing who, but is there a list with
links to the games themselves, to make it easier for observers?

🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Tue, Feb 21, 2006 03:08 AM UTC:
There are alternate sets available for all the games in this tournament. You can change your set when you move. Look for the Set field in the move form. The new set will show up when you verify your move. Besides the Chinese Chinese Chess sets, you may choose a western set, an abstract marble set, or a Storm the Ivory Tower set. Besides the Japanese Shogi sets, you may choose a symbolic set, a set based on the Chess Motif font, and an Alfaerie set that isn't even wedge shaped.

Christine Bagley-Jones wrote on Tue, Feb 21, 2006 01:15 AM UTC:
lol, well at least you picked a good name :)

when viewing your game, if you click on 'piece set' you can change to
'alfaerie' and that shows western style pieces.
you don't have to open your email to play, go to game logs here 
/play/pbmlogs/index.php
type your userid and password, and you will see your games, just click on
your name and away you go.
good luck :)
give 'em trouble he he :)

Tommy Trouble wrote on Tue, Feb 21, 2006 12:37 AM UTC:
Just a quick note to let you know why I am not making any moves right now.
I'm currently away from home doing sciency stuff at a Synchrotron.

I'm also having to brush up on my understanding of Shogi and Xianqi,
whenever I can. The main problem I think I will have is recognizing the
pieces from the Japanese/Chinese symbols. Can someone tell me if there are
piece sets I can use, which look more like Western Chess pieces?

I hope my time does not run out for any of the games. I'll be back home
on wednesday. I hope I will give my Shogi/Xianqi opponents a decent
challenge.

Sean Humby wrote on Mon, Feb 20, 2006 09:36 PM UTC:
I'm all set! This is great! I haven't been in a tourney for some time...


GOOD LUCK EVERYONE!

Gary Gifford wrote on Sat, Feb 18, 2006 02:07 PM UTC:
Most important for me when I play chess here is that I want to be able to use Alfairie (sp?) type pieces, not Abstract. The board you mention should be okay. When it comes to Shogi I can use Japanese pieces or the modern (silver moon type - as I did get quite use to those, much to my surprise as I use Japanese characters when I play over the board and on-line in real time)... but I do not want the dark blue marble board... the other 3 CV boards I saw look fine to me. When Xianqi comes around, I will need to revisit the CV board and piece options. I think I used light and dark wood Chinese character pieces last time.

📝Antoine Fourrière wrote on Sat, Feb 18, 2006 05:30 AM UTC:
Okay, I prefer the uncheckered marble board for my game against you. If
Sean Humby has no preferences, I'll also use it for your game against
him.
I will use the maple/walnut CSS for your Chess games against Jeremy Good
and Gary Gifford if they do not object.

📝Antoine Fourrière wrote on Sat, Feb 18, 2006 05:16 AM UTC:
Registration is over now. We have eleven participants.

🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Sat, Feb 18, 2006 04:31 AM UTC:
I hate the plain uncheckered Shogi board and do not wish to use it at all. I will be happy with either the checkered Shogi board or one of the marble Shogi boards. I would prefer to use the maple/walnut CSS board for Chess.

📝Antoine Fourrière wrote on Sat, Feb 18, 2006 02:11 AM UTC:
Registration will be definitely closed at midnight (Eastern time). Soon
afterwards, I'll add a section indicating who plays whom at what and in
which order.

Tomorrow evening, I'lI assign the games.

The Chess Preset should be HTML table for board.
The Xiangqi Preset should be CSS.
The Shogi Preset should be Uncheckered Board, Displays as small PNG file.

If a player is dissatisfied with one of these presets (anyway, you are
able to choose your set of pieces regardless of the preset), I'll ask his
opponent about preferences and try to choose another preset for their game.

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