Check out Symmetric Chess, our featured variant for March, 2024.


[ Help | Earliest Comments | Latest Comments ]
[ List All Subjects of Discussion | Create New Subject of Discussion ]
[ List Earliest Comments Only For Pages | Games | Rated Pages | Rated Games | Subjects of Discussion ]

Comments by Snowmoondaphne

EarliestEarlier Reverse Order LaterLatest
Mansindam (Pantheon Tale). A variant that combines 'drop' rule and strong pieces, and there is no draw. (9x9, Cells: 81) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
💡📝Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Tue, Oct 25, 2022 01:59 AM UTC:
files=9 ranks=9 holdingsType=-1 promoOffset=9 promoZone=3 maxPromote=6 promoChoice=+ graphicsDir=/graphics.dir/alfaeriePNG/ whitePrefix=w blackPrefix=b graphicsType=png squareSize=54 darkShade=#C8E0A8 lightShade=#F0FFC0 symmetry=none royal=9 pawn:P:fW:chinesepawn:a3,b3,c3,d3,e3,f3,g3,h3,i3,,a7,b7,c7,d7,e7,f7,g7,h7,i7 knight:N:N:knight:b1,h1,,b9,h9 bishop:B:B:bishop:g1,,c9 rook:R:R:rook:i1,,a9 cardinal:C:BN:cardinal:c1,,g9 marshal:M:RN:chancellor:a1,,i9 queen:Q:Q:queen:d1,,f9 angel:A:QN:amazon:f1,,d9 king:K:K:king:e1,,e9 guard:G:FW:guard:, centaur:E:NFW:knightguard:, horse:H:BW:archer:, tiger:T:RF:tiger:, rhino:O:BNW:rhino:, ship:S:RNF:ship:,

💡📝Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Tue, Nov 1, 2022 02:42 AM UTC in reply to Greg Strong from 12:47 AM:

Hand piece is a direct translation of Shogi's Mochigoma(手駒).

So the hand piece is the same as Shogi's mochigoma.

Naturally, you can use any piece you capture as your hand piece.


💡📝Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Tue, Nov 1, 2022 10:19 AM UTC in reply to H. G. Muller from 06:52 AM:

H.G.Muller // I don't even know why... I found out it now


💡📝Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Wed, Nov 2, 2022 08:48 AM UTC in reply to Kevin Pacey from 06:11 AM:

Kevin Pacey // Well, I guess my explanation was insufficient.

Every piece of your opponent you capture becomes your 'hand piece'. On your turn, you may place one of your hand pieces on an empty square of the board. (This is called 'drop'.)

However, in order to drop, you must not move any piece during your turn, and after dropping, you must pass the turn to your opponent.

And your hand piece Pawn cannot drop into the last (9th) rank, nor can it drop on a file that already has your Pawn. (It is possible to deliver a check or checkmate to an opponent by dropping a pawn.)

That said, the hand piece works the same as Shogi's mochigoma, except that the Pawn can make a checkmate with a drop.


💡📝Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Wed, Nov 2, 2022 08:58 AM UTC in reply to H. G. Muller from 08:03 AM:

H. G. Muller // If a piece in the enemy camp moves while staying at the enemy camp, it will also eventually reach the enemy camp. Therefore, it must be promoted.

If a player makes three forced defenses in the same sequence to block an opponent's attack, that player may lose. If this happens, it can be an unsatisfactory game for the player. However, in this game, there is only victory or defeat, there is no draw. And I think these rules make the game more aggressive.

(By the way, I have played the AI versus AI game several times with Fairy Stockfish, but I have not yet seen a case where I was defeated by three fold repetition.)


💡📝Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Wed, Nov 2, 2022 09:44 AM UTC in reply to H. G. Muller from 09:22 AM:

H.G. Muller //

That is not what 'reach' means in English. It means coming from the outside.

I got it. Added text related to it to the promotion rules.

If the player who perpetually checks loses there would also be no draw. Any loss could be described as unsatisfactory for the player who loses. The point, however, is that it is generally perceived as unsatisfactory for the neutral observer. And hence a defect of the game rules.

However, it is the identity of this game that draw does not exist, so there is no intention to modify the current three fold repetition rule. Also, I don't think this is a defect.

I assume the variants.ini you describe is the configuration file for Variant-Stockfish. (It might be a good idea to mention that... As it is readers have no clue what it means.) Since that file specified perpetually checking is a loss, ("perpetualCheckIllegal = true") it can hardly be a surprise that Stockfish does not do it. It just means you have it play according to different rules than you describe in your article.

Well, I'm sorry, but I didn't quite understand that. "It just means you have it play according to different rules than you describe in your article." What exactly does this sentence mean?


💡📝Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Wed, Nov 2, 2022 10:09 AM UTC in reply to H. G. Muller from 10:02 AM:

H. G. Muller // Umm, I played Mansindam on Fairy Stockfish over 30 times as AI vs AI. And all games so far have been decided by checkmate. (No case of winning by campmate, stalemate, or three fold repetition has been found yet.)

Did I misunderstand what you said?


Stockfish and chess variants [Subject Thread] [Add Response]
Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Wed, Nov 2, 2022 10:28 AM UTC in reply to Aurelian Florea from 10:10 AM:

Aurelian Florea //

https://github.com/ianfab/Fairy-Stockfish/releases/tag/fairy_sf_14

I downloaded Fairy Stockfish from assets here.

https://discord.gg/aPs8RKr

It might be quicker to ask on this channel how to use Fairy Stockfish.


Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Wed, Nov 2, 2022 11:50 AM UTC in reply to Aurelian Florea from 11:39 AM:

https://github.com/ianfab/Fairy-Stockfish/blob/master/src/variants.ini

It might be good to take a look at this. Variants created by individuals are implemented by this definition.

And I use Fairy Stockfish via WinBoard (XBoard), I'll give you the file if you need it.


Mansindam (Pantheon Tale). A variant that combines 'drop' rule and strong pieces, and there is no draw. (9x9, Cells: 81) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
💡📝Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Wed, Nov 2, 2022 12:04 PM UTC in reply to H. G. Muller from 11:56 AM:

???

It is impossible to deliver the same check three times in Mansindam. This is because three fold repetition includes perpetual check. This is Mansindam's rule, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

(Or maybe I'm not good at English, so I didn't understand your saying well. If that's okay with you, please explain to me in a bit more detail.)


💡📝Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Wed, Nov 2, 2022 01:37 PM UTC in reply to H. G. Muller from 12:42 PM:

H. G. Muller // So in your example, does it mean that Black lose is normal, but White loses with Mansindam's variants.ini?


💡📝Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Wed, Nov 2, 2022 03:54 PM UTC in reply to H. G. Muller from 02:59 PM:

H. G. Muller // Umm, then how do you think Mansindam's variants.ini definition should be modified while maintaining the rules?


💡📝Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Wed, Nov 2, 2022 06:16 PM UTC in reply to H. G. Muller from 05:47 PM:

H. G. Muller // Yep I fixed that


💡📝Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Thu, Nov 3, 2022 05:44 AM UTC:

Added some pictures and text


💡📝Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Sat, Nov 5, 2022 04:18 PM UTC:

The description of Knight's move was edited as follows :

-> Moves to the nearest square among squares that do not correspond to the same file, rank, and diagonal from its position.


💡📝Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Sun, Nov 13, 2022 04:05 AM UTC in reply to Greg Strong from Sat Nov 12 09:10 PM:

Thank you very much, and thanks again for your kind reply!

I hope you have a nice day!


💡📝Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Thu, Nov 17, 2022 01:47 PM UTC:

Some words have been corrected

  • (e.g. Surrender -> Resignation)

And some pieces have been renamed to make them easier to read

  • (e.g. 雲 ⇒ 云)

💡📝Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Tue, Nov 22, 2022 12:41 AM UTC:

https://pychess-pr-657.herokuapp.com/

Mansindam has been temporarily added to Pychess!


💡📝Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Wed, Dec 28, 2022 11:19 AM UTC:

All of Mansindam's original piece names have been decided !


Zo Shogi (象將棋). A variant of Sho Shogi in which Drop rule is included and Prince (promoted Elephant) is a non-royal King. (9x9, Cells: 81) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
💡📝Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Thu, Dec 29, 2022 07:02 AM UTC:
files=9 ranks=9 holdingsType=-1 promoOffset=9 promoZone=3 maxPromote=7 promoChoice=+ graphicsDir=/graphics.dir/alfaeriePNG/ whitePrefix=w blackPrefix=b graphicsType=png squareSize=54 darkShade=#C8E0A8 lightShade=#F0FFC0 symmetry=none royal=9 pawn:P:fW:chinesepawn:a3,b3,c3,d3,e3,f3,g3,h3,i3,,a7,b7,c7,d7,e7,f7,g7,h7,i7 bishop:B:B:bishop:b2,,h8 elephant:E:fsWF:elephant:e2,,e8 rook:R:R:rook:h2,,b8 lance:L:fR:lance:a1,i1,,a9,i9 knight:N:fN:knight:b1,h1,,b9,h9 silver:S:fWF:silvergeneral:c1,g1,,c9,g9 gold:G:WfF:goldgeneral:d1,f1,,d9,f9 king:K:K:king:e1,,e9 tokin:T:WfF:promotedshogipawn:, horse:H:BW:promotedbishop:, prince:I:WF:guard:, dragon:D:RF:promotedrook:, apricot:A:WfF:promotedlance:, scepter:C:WfF:promotedknight:, whole:W:WfF:promotedsilver:,

AAKA. Members-Only All the rules are the same as standard chess, but White only has one King and three Amazons. (8x8, Cells: 64) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]

Since this comment is for a page that has not been published yet, you must be signed in to read it.

Zo Shogi (象將棋). A variant of Sho Shogi in which Drop rule is included and Prince (promoted Elephant) is a non-royal King. (9x9, Cells: 81) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
💡📝Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Tue, Jan 3, 2023 03:59 AM UTC:

Can this be published ?


💡📝Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Wed, Jan 4, 2023 02:38 PM UTC in reply to A. M. DeWitt from 02:05 AM:

Adam DeWitt //

Thank you for your kind reply!!

But I don't know how to apply interactive diagram inside the page. And I'm not sure exactly what the 'table' you are talking about is


💡📝Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Mon, Jan 9, 2023 01:09 AM UTC in reply to A. M. DeWitt from Thu Jan 5 01:12 AM:

Adam DeWitt // Thanks ! I did it !


Mansindam (Pantheon Tale). A variant that combines 'drop' rule and strong pieces, and there is no draw. (9x9, Cells: 81) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
💡📝Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Mon, Jan 9, 2023 03:37 PM UTC:

I added the interactive diagram !


25 comments displayed

EarliestEarlier Reverse Order LaterLatest

Permalink to the exact comments currently displayed.