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Maasai Chess. Large CV with 48 pieces per side, of 20 types including both regular and rapid Pawns.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
H. G. Muller wrote on Fri, May 7, 2021 12:10 PM UTC in reply to x x from 10:42 AM:

Its not completely unreasonable that someone migth derive advantage from playing with more familiar setup (assuming one would play this variant enough).

It is very questionable, though, whether in a variant this large where the differences in setup are applied somewhere in the rear of the army, that there will be anything familiar at all to the position by the time the battle really starts. Black can force white to start with (some of his) pieces in a certain constellation, but he cannot control what moves white will play afterwards. Most white players would play totally different, and by the time the pieces in the back-rank come into play you would always be in a position you have never seen before. Unless black is playing against the same white player all the time, which would also stick to the single variation he likes. In which case the position would be just as familiar to that white player, and the alledged compensation would go up in smoke.


x x wrote on Fri, May 7, 2021 10:42 AM UTC:

It can be argued that if chess is a forced draw from opening position, then first move advantage doesn’t exist at all. Yet even if someone showed proof that chess is drawn game, humans would still atribute some advantage to white. Its not completely unreasonable that someone migth derive advantage from playing with more familiar setup (assuming one would play this variant enough). Quantifying this advantage and comparing it to first move advantage is another story though.


H. G. Muller wrote on Fri, May 7, 2021 10:28 AM UTC:

I agree that it is exceedingly unlikely that anyone would ever develop opening theory for these games. And of course it is your design, and you can pick the rules anyway you like them.

But what I object to (since your submission is open for review) is your claim that the rule you propose compensates the first-move advantage. Especially if you don't believe yourself that black would ever go to the trouble of developing opening theory, it is a misleading claim.


💡📝Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on Fri, May 7, 2021 09:48 AM UTC in reply to H. G. Muller from 07:16 AM:

Seriously, nobody will study the opening theories for my games. If few are just playing, I'll be happy. I still believe that if they are many setups, the impact of learn-by-heart openings will be less important. I like the idea of one player choosing the setup and the opponent making the first move. I understand that other people may like other ideas, no problem.


H. G. Muller wrote on Fri, May 7, 2021 07:16 AM UTC in reply to Jean-Louis Cazaux from 06:28 AM:

It seems to me that the black player who chooses the setup has an advantage to his white opponent who doesn't know what will be the setup. It is true that the black player may know an opening theory for his favorite setup but as they are a lot of possible setups, one would have to know a lot of opening theories which is reducing the impact in my opinion.

There is no game-theoretical advantage from choosing btween a number of symmetric, and therefore mostly equivalent start position. The only way black can derive any advantage from this is by having very extensive opening knowledge for the setup he is going to choose. Only white would have to prepare for all openings, if he has no clue what black is going to choose. (Which presumably is hopeless, due to the large number.) Black, however, only has to prepare for one, and can use that one in every game he plays as black. (And even if it is commonly known what he will pick, it is not much help to the white player if he has to play a variety of opponents.)

So I think that rather than doing away with the burden of opening theory, your rules compell the players to study opening theory for black, in order to neutralize the first-move advantage.


💡📝Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on Fri, May 7, 2021 06:37 AM UTC:

I am confused. Yesterday I created a new page for a new entry called "Maasai Chess". This page is now waiting for approval by editors. This is not the problem.

After, I wanted to create a new Game Courier preset to play this Maasai Chess. Then, I follow the link to create a new GC preset. But at the end, the process gives a similar template than for a normal page entry. This is confusing.

So, I started from an existing GC preset of my own, I modified it, I renamed it "Maasai Chess", I saved it and I spent my evening working on it. This morning, I wanted to come back on it and continue ... but I can't find it. Where is it?

When I look under my name to my unpublished submissions, I see the normal page for "Maasai Chess" but for the GC preset I just see the void page I had made, and not the file I had worked on yesterday.

May someone help me?


💡📝Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on Fri, May 7, 2021 06:28 AM UTC in reply to H. G. Muller from Thu May 6 09:48 PM:

It seems to me that the black player who chooses the setup has an advantage to his white opponent who doesn't know what will be the setup. It is true that the black player may know an opening theory for his favorite setup but as they are a lot of possible setups, one would have to know a lot of opening theories which is reducing the impact in my opinion.


H. G. Muller wrote on Thu, May 6, 2021 09:48 PM UTC:

Why do you say that black's privilege of choosing the initial setup would compensate the first-move advantage? It shouldn't be worth anything, because white gets exactly the same arrangement of pieces. And having one player determine the setup interferes with the purpose of having no opening theory.


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